Botamon[]
Don't we usually organize by level, not chronological order?Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 18:19, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
- Whoops, I meant to put Samudramon first. I always start with the section header's image, but as counterpoints, BlackAgumon and Murmukusmon. Lanate (talk) 02:30, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
Machinedramon[]
During the flashback after the Crusadermon battle, we see Nokia meet Agumon and Gabumon, while Yuuko, Yuugo, and Arata meet Botamon, Pabumon, and Kuramon. The Pabumon appears to be standing in front of Yuugo. It could potentially be Aiba's, but it appears to be placed next to Yuugo, and there are potential paths from Pabumon to Machinedramon (via Motimon > Gotsumon > Clockmon > Datamon, for example).Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 16:55, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
https://youtu.be/V2jb4Sb8_i8?t=825
- I remmeber you were against assigning these babies in 2016 when g-santos brought it up then. "there are potential paths from Pabumon to Machinedramon" every digimon can be every digimon in cs. you can have every baby become machinedramon. think of a digimon in teh game, it can become machinedramon. the game is one big web. pabumon can become any of the other digimon in teh game. even the other babies (pabumon > motimon > gotsumon > icemon > gomamon > bukamon > poyomon).Marcusbwfc (talk) 01:43, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing any such discussion, and the discussion above from 2016 shows me being open to considering them forms of the partner Digimon. Regardless, without a justification from policy or benefit attached to it, it doesn't matter what my or anyone's prior preferences were.
- Any baby can become Machinedramon, but these three babies are presented in a "meet the partners" scene, with four out of the five Digimon present being the traditional lower forms of the contemporary partner Digimon. Pabumon is placed suggestively adjacent to Yuugo, and is one of the babies traditionally used for Machine Digimon.Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 21:17, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- theres a talk page somewhere where you mentioned "arata couldve just scanned a bunch of wild keramon", and was why they werent listed. i dont see why conversation you were referring to. (also couldve been someone else mentioning, but for sure in 2015/16 there was mention of the scanning keramon thing to mean theres no proof the kuramon and keramon are the same character. Marcusbwfc (talk) 05:58, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- "i dont see why conversation you were referring to." -- at the top of this specific talk page, in 2016, my post shows that I'm on board with considering Botamon to be a form of RizeGreymon.
- "there was mention of the scanning keramon thing to mean theres no proof the kuramon and keramon are the same character." -- maybe, but the scene shows the five children meeting five Digimon, excluding Aiba due to the partner-selection aspect. I suppose we could send habu a tweet asking if necessary, but it seems to me to be the clear intent of the scene.Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 14:34, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- don’t forget yuugo has only ever met 5 baby digimon ever. He lives in eater world. All of yuukos digimon were from her pretending to be yuugo. So machinedramon never belonged to the real yuugo. If going with it, it’d mean Yuuko had both babies whilst posing as yuugo egiosr the real yuugos partner would only be pabumon as it was the only ome he ever met.Marcusbwfc (talk) 15:19, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- I could be misremembering the plot, but my understanding was that the five were essentially true chosen children rather than Tamers -- their Digimon met and chose them, rather than being captured. Yuugo would have only bonded with Pabumon, yeah, but that Pabumon would be the one who became Machinedramon, right? Again, we can tweet at Habu if you'd prefer.Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 22:42, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- who knows, since yuuko owned it - it coudlve just been a random pabumon or random machinedramon. since yuugo isnt the one with it in later forms that one is the hardest to say. like, it and botamon both went to yuuko? also, funny how hackers memory messes with the story somewhat. "oh, rizegreymon is the only one who loves me so much im glad he stayed with me (cyber sletuh) but then "oh, i guess lilamon and weregarurumon love me too!" (hackers memory). but yeah, pabumon is tough because its not *actually* yuugo partenred with that machinedramonMarcusbwfc (talk) 06:07, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- That's what I mean by referencing chosen children -- even though "Yuugo" was actually Yuuko, that Machinedramon was bonded with Yuugo, and that's why it was convinced to stay with the fake Yuugo while the real Yuugo was lost.Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 13:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)