Talk:Menoa Bellucci

More Info?

When do you guys plan on adding more information to Menoa's page? Coolautiz (talk) 03:05, May 20, 2020 (UTC)

well, the movie needs to release in english so we can watch it.Marcusbwfc (talk) 03:21, May 20, 2020 (UTC)

American

do we know if she's *actually* american? just cuz she works there doesnt mean she was born there. her name is italian. could've moved there. something that could support american, i guess, is that in the japanese version she talks english a bunch, rather than italian. at the least i really doubt she's 100% american and could be half italian half american.Marcusbwfc (talk) 06:20, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

She's American now, basically. Depends on how you define American.Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 20:21, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

not really? My football team has a Portuguese player but that doesn't make him English. He wouldn't be able to play for the England international team. most english teams have something like 75% players from outside england. wwe have half their roster as from outside the USA, and only a few of them applied for US passports after working there for a decade. Only way it'd work is if she applied for an American passport but then she'd be Italian American (If she's Italian). If i move to Japan to teach digimon lore to kids that doesn't make me Japanese, I'm english. Nationality is where you're born, with also sometimes taking into account where your parents are from. We don't know if she has an American passport, American parents, or was born there. Likelihood is she's Italian American at best. I don't think it should be listed. nationally, as defined: "Everyone has a gender, race, sexual orientation...and a nationality. A person's nationality is where they are a legal citizen, usually in the country where they were born. People from Mexico have Mexican nationality, and people from Australia have Australian nationality." we don't know if she was born there, we don't know if she has familial relationships from there, and we don't know if she has citizenship. she could just be italian and have a work visa.Marcusbwfc (talk) 00:18, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

America isn't really like that. For here, it's just citizenship.Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 02:56, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Right. I mentioned citizenship. but she could just be in the USA on a work visa. work visas dont make you a citizen. and like I said, if she was italian and was able to get citizenship, that makes her italian-american. an example, english wrestler wade barrett got US citizenship after 10 years working in the US, but that didnt make him american, it made him english-american. if she's italian, she doesn't lose that just by becoming an american citizen. she would just become half american (italian-american), which we would list as "half italian half american", like how Thomas H. Norstein is listed as half austrian half japanese. listing menoa as american is stating she is 100% american, born in the US to US parents. if her name was something general like Sarah Smith then whatever, but her name is italian, there's no way she's american born to american parents. Marcusbwfc (talk) 10:55, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

"listing menoa as american is stating she is 100% american, born in the US to US parents." -- what I'm saying is that, bar some very persnickety racists or people who are personally focusing on their heritage, we pretty much don't do that. If you're a longterm resident of the US, esp. if you're a citizen, you're an American. The "X American" stuff is just if you're wanting to bring up the topic of ethnicity, but most of the time people would make a point of calling themselves Americans, and would often find it rude if they were questioned on it.

"but her name is italian, there's no way she's american born to american parents. " -- that's DEFINITELY not how America works. We have plenty of people with non-Anglo names who are fully American citizens. Ex. Richard Belluci has the same surname. Or ex. my sister and brother have stereotypically Irish given names and surnames, but we are many generations removed from Ireland.

Like, we could pretty confidently say that she has minor, if any, indigenous American heritage, but that's not usually how the term "American" is used in the first place, and definitely not in terms of "nationality", which is what the field should be for (and in my opinion, we shouldn't be examining ethnicity in infoboxes anyway).Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 19:41, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

richard belluchi was born in new york to italian parents, so that makes him italian-american, rather than just american. but maybe this is just a euro centric vs american centric way of thinking. and none of this is me saying anything about ethnicity, it's all nationality. like I said, the literal definition is where youre born and/or where you have citizenship. like, im british/english cuz thats where i was born and where im from. if I move to the US and live there for a few years but never apply for citizenship, im still just 100% british. all we know about menoa is that in the year 2010 she works in an american university. she could've grown up in the states, but she could've also grown up in italy, then moved to the US for work on a work visa. heck, the digimon frontier cd drama has Takuya move to Italy to become a footballer/soccer player, but I doubt we'd wanna list him as italian instead of japanese as a result of that. (digimon really seem to like italy you know)Marcusbwfc (talk) 19:55, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Didn't she grow up in Colorado? I don't know if this is mentioned in the movie (I haven't had time to watch it yet), but I think the DASH-X novel says she grew up in Colorado. I specifically remember that because the fact Wallace is also from Colorado made me wonder if the writers are trying to imply there's something going on there the same way all the 12 main kids are from Tokyo.

If she grew up in the US, it's extremely likely she is American. At the very least, if she were Italian I'm pretty sure it would've been mentioned somewhere, even if only in the official website or any promo material.

By the way, I think Takuya going to Italy is due to the prestige of European soccer and the fact another main character had ties to there, allowing them to mention Izumi teaching him Italian words. Had Izumi never lived in Europe, they would have probably chosen Spain because Barcelona. Anime... PAAWAA!!! 23:43, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

If they mention that in the novel, then fair enough - though I would maybe like a quote or at least a ref note of the novel. I believe you're right that they hadnt mentioned that in the movie, cuz I've seen it a good 4/5 times and so wouldn't have questioned it otherwise, I would've been like ah cool she's from colarado. growing up in the US would indeed mean she's american. i think the most they say in the movie (dub wise at least) is that she works in new york, it's possible the japanese version actually name drops colorado. as for takuya and italy, it was a weird one. they say he went to play in serie d in italy, but I don't think they actually bothered to research because serie d is amateur. that means he would not be getting paid to play there (it used to be semi pro, which *would* be paid, but it became amateur in 1986) so unless hes going for other reasons (foreign university, some sort of job in italy) and would play in serie d just for fun, it would make no sense for him to move to italy for the sole reason of playing in serie d because theyre not paid at that level. it feels like an overisght to me. they really should've at least said serie B.Marcusbwfc (talk) 00:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

skipping through the movie for every time menoa talks and at no point, in the dub at least, is colarado mentioned. ill go ahead and add a ref note for the novel. (also since the movie itself says shes 22, we prob dont need a ref note for the novel for her age). also going back to her name, she may also be part japanese? cuz the name menoa is of japanese origin.Marcusbwfc (talk) 00:48, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

"but maybe this is just a euro centric vs american centric way of thinking." - Yes, it is. "Italian American"/"Irish American" etc. really only exists as a concept on ethnic holidays. Day-to-day life, it's not a thing.

To re-emphasize -- I have solidly Irish heritage. My sister looks identical to Ford Maddox Brown's "Irish Girl". Neither we nor anyone else actually thinks about us as "Irish-American" except on St. Paddy's, when Ireland is in the news, or I want an excuse to be mad at the English. It's just not a thing for anyone who isn't first-generation.Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 20:53, 12 May 2021 (UTC)