Evolution requirements legibility[]
Which is more understandable:
In order to digivolve to H-Kabuterimon, your Digimon must meet any three of the following requirements: have at least 7000 HP, 400 Offense, 600 Defense, and 400 Speed, have a maximum of 5 care mistakes, have 50-60 Weight, or meet either of the bonus conditions, which are fighting in 0 battles, and knowing at least 40 techniques.
OR
In order to digivolve to H-Kabuterimon, your Digimon must meet any three of the following requirements:
- Have at least 7000 HP, 400 Offense, 600 Defense, and 400 Speed
- Have a maximum of 5 care mistakes
- Have 50-60 Weight
- Fight in 0 battles or know at least 40 techniques.
Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 20:50, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
- Bit late, but I personally prefer the second. Also, is "Care Mistakes" actually used in game? IIRC, people took the term from the V-Pets and Next Order dubs them as Training Failures.Marcusbwfc (talk) 06:04, October 6, 2018 (UTC)
"These Digimon can only be acquired through the use of digivolving tools, which can be acquired with a cheat device."[]
Aren't they all promo Digimon? And shouldn't that be covered in the appendix, rather than here?Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 22:57, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
Datamining[]
The game has been datamined here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19E7zgE2JJN4LQnlv9TNzenTaeld5OcRzC99EkiM80Cw/edit#gid=36673135
which includes some differing stats for some of the wild Digimon, which I'm going to add to their pages.Marcusbwfc (talk) 00:01, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- Some of the Digimon, meaning the ones who don't actually do anything like Brachimon, Cherrymon and Hagurumon have "Unidentified" for levels. Whilst that's the level NEO has, I'm gonna ignore that, unless we want it in, as it's likely more they just didnt choose to program a level as it wasn't playable/fightable.Marcusbwfc (talk) 00:53, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- I'll admit to being uncomfortable with adding data-mined information. If listed, it should be clarified to come from data-mining, i.e. not publicly visible information. Lanate (talk) 02:14, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- Technically you would be able to test for attributes, as if your Digimon have the effective attribute and your stats are high enough, the Digimon will run away. So if you got a really powerful Data type, then went to one of the wild Digimon tagged as Vaccine and its in the background on the screen, rather than join for a 2v1, it will run away. The only thing that wouldn't count, I suppose, due to only being known through data-mining, would be the level of the enemy digimons. Then again, there are also tournements in the Greymon arena, in which you can only use certain level Digimon. So say it's a Rookie Digimon tournement, ICemon would be able to show up as an enemy, I guess. I do remember sometimes questioning why Digimon I assumed were higher levelled were in lower level tourneys and thinking it was unfair.
- I'll admit to being uncomfortable with adding data-mined information. If listed, it should be clarified to come from data-mining, i.e. not publicly visible information. Lanate (talk) 02:14, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
So an example for the running away. In Drill Tunnel, there are three Goburimon. Show up with a really powerful Vaccine type Digimon, and two of the Goburimon will run away, as they're Virus type. So it's actually relevant to the species in Digimon World.
It'd be fair to delete etc info for those who aren't fightable though, like Master Tyrannomon I suppose, since THAT is only known from data mining.Marcusbwfc (talk) 02:56, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- Also "Hiro" is included on this datamine, so this info must've been known for years and is why "hiro" was/is used for Mameo by the fandom, though Mameo is a better name to use due to DWNO.Marcusbwfc (talk) 03:15, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- If it has tangible gameplay effects like that, then that's fine to include. If it can only found out through data-mining, it should be caveated. Also, from my research, the tournaments aren't level-restricted. Lanate (talk) 03:33, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- Fair enough on the tournies. For the levels that aren't the same, like Yanmamon - I can edit to say "this is known due to datamining the game" in the ref note, etc if that works better? for the attributes, it's 100% checkable, but you'd have to be paying attention to what Digimon you had (its attribute) and who ran away to fully know with wha'ts provided in game. I figure something like the "Fire" Cup can only have "Fire" Digimon, though - unless that's player only restriction. KingSukamon is Virus/Champion in the files, but there's otherwise no way to know this information, is one that is debatable to put in.Marcusbwfc (talk) 03:45, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- I think noncombatants should not have their information added. For combatants, the attributes are fine to added, just add a hidden comment to them like <!--DW datamining-->. The levels I'm still iffy about. They might need to have a comment like "Yanmamon is a Rookie Digimon in the code for Digimon World." Lanate (talk) 04:20, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- Is the edit you made to the Digimon World page enough, or you still want pages like Yanmamon edited? in addition, where exactly are the evolution requirements for the game actually from? I would assume either some sort of guide book, or manual testing, but if it's just manual testing they may not be that reliable. For H-Kabu, as the dataming shows says it would be 7000 HP, 400 offence, 600 defense, 400 speed, 5 care mistakes (not sure if this is more than or less than), 55 weight, knowing 40 moves. Unless this is from an official guide book, the info in the data in your post a few years ago appears to be taken directly from a data mine, it's a little too specific. Ps, the person who datamined the info on Reddit gave me permission to use it for the Wiki, so if we need to credit him, it was "SydMontage".Marcusbwfc (talk) 05:06, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- I think noncombatants should not have their information added. For combatants, the attributes are fine to added, just add a hidden comment to them like <!--DW datamining-->. The levels I'm still iffy about. They might need to have a comment like "Yanmamon is a Rookie Digimon in the code for Digimon World." Lanate (talk) 04:20, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- Fair enough on the tournies. For the levels that aren't the same, like Yanmamon - I can edit to say "this is known due to datamining the game" in the ref note, etc if that works better? for the attributes, it's 100% checkable, but you'd have to be paying attention to what Digimon you had (its attribute) and who ran away to fully know with wha'ts provided in game. I figure something like the "Fire" Cup can only have "Fire" Digimon, though - unless that's player only restriction. KingSukamon is Virus/Champion in the files, but there's otherwise no way to know this information, is one that is debatable to put in.Marcusbwfc (talk) 03:45, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- If it has tangible gameplay effects like that, then that's fine to include. If it can only found out through data-mining, it should be caveated. Also, from my research, the tournaments aren't level-restricted. Lanate (talk) 03:33, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- We use datamining for the evolution requirements as well, as it's the only reliable, proven data found so far.Now activating Project: SPIDERS EVERYWHERE 12:55, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- So the name Hiro is in the game's code? Huh, now I'm curious if it's also in the Japanese version's code. Can we get someone to datamine the Japanese version? Anime... PAAWAA!!! 13:03, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
- Same person who datamined the Eng version has told me that the JP version uses 主人公, meaning "Hero". So it seems like a translation error in the code of the english version if that's the case.Marcusbwfc (talk) 01:07, February 21, 2019 (UTC)
- So the name Hiro is in the game's code? Huh, now I'm curious if it's also in the Japanese version's code. Can we get someone to datamine the Japanese version? Anime... PAAWAA!!! 13:03, November 19, 2018 (UTC)