User talk:Lanate

If it'll help
wikipedia:User:KrytenKoro/V-Tamer_01_Notes

Tasks
Okay, here's what I can see as the most pressing tasks:


 * 1) Split off all Digimon species to separate articles, and rename character articles appropriately
 * 2) Standardize Digimon species sections
 * 3) Find all the points, like in Ikkakumon's profile, where it just says things like "the Japanese word for single horn", and replace that with an actual Nihongo tag.
 * 4) Source all evolutions, and preferably semi-source all attacks.
 * 5) Correct categories for moved Digimon (like how Gomamon (Adventure) has the categories that Gomamon correctly belongs to)
 * 6) Create sections on species pages for the various forms of the Digimon, like Gomamon X

Also, please remind me to add to the MoS draft that reference sections should use KrytenKoro 19:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Digimon World and Digivices
Lunamon and Coronamon are the only two Digimon that I would say could use that as a reference - partially because this is somewhat storyline, they are the main partners and unlike all other Digimon have only one path, and this is also backed up by, of all things, the included stickers.

Leomon and all other obtainable Digimon in the game, at least all the one's I've seen, have branching paths. I actually bought this game with Christmas money, but my sister got to play it - I'm going to start playing it this week, and so will be able to document any other "reasonable" lines.

Yeah, part of finally getting to play it includes understanding what you were talking about with the bio's. I actually went through all the ones my sister caught, and it's a fair load of title's, weapon names, and subspecies/evolutions. I'm going to try to insert a "nickname" or "title" box in the species infobox's, and type up a list of all the bio data I had access to.KrytenKoro 14:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I would use the Digital Pets, as well: http://lcd.wtw-x.net/MainPage

The D-3 confirms:
 * Wormmon>Stingmon>Dinobeemon>GranKuwagamon (D-3 Version 1.0)
 * Hawkmon>Aquilamon>Silphymon>Valkyrimon (D-3 Version 2.0)
 * Armadimon>Ankylomon>Shakkoumon>Vikemon (D-3 Version 3.0)

The D-Ark confirms:
 * Guilmon>BlackGrowlmon>BlackWarGrowlmon>ChaosGallantmon (D-Ark Version 1.0)
 * Renamon>Youkomon>Doumon>Kuzuhamon (D-Ark Version 2.0)
 * Labramon>Shiisamon>Cerberumon>Anubimon (D-Ark Version 2.0)

There are apparently also actual A, Z, and U sprits: http://lcd.wtw-x.net/DScanGallery

There is a D-Cyber digivice which names Dorumon "Dolmon" and Gaioumon "Samudramon"

In some cases, the original pets (I love the old logo, I wish they had kept it) are acceptable. I've already put pretty much all of the useful ones on the List of Fresh Digimon, but if there's other evolutions from the pets you think should count, list them.


 * Pabumon>Nyaromon (Pendulum Progress 3.0: Animal Coliseum) - probably can be safely ignored, as it has completely ridiculous orders for all the digimon in it, like Deramon>Omegamon

KrytenKoro 06:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

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Manga naming scheme
Do you mean as in screenshot/scan, or as in official design art?

If we're going for official designs, the abbreviation of the manga should be fine (v, c, d, n). So, "Image:AeroVeedramon v.jpg" That way, we could have all the different representations of AeroVeedramon, without all the weird numbering and such.

If it's just a full or partial page scan, I would think that we could do something like this:

"V-45_01_1"

For the first scan uploaded of V-Tamer Chapter 24, page 01. Obviously, we don't want to have too many full page scans, as that's about the one thing we put on this wiki that could be considered truly infringing.

Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day.  But set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.  01:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Well, we can go both ways with those. If we have the official bio cards for it (apparently, Gon doesn't have one), we could title it as the first, but if we're going for a pure screenshot (like Gon's), we could go for the second. Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day.  But set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.  15:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes
I've been working on a replacement template for the Digimon Infoboxes that would automatically categorize Digimon by the inputs to their infobox. There is a little bit more work needed to finish it, which requires coding I'm not sure how to do (so we probably need Ned Scott). The only other problem I can think of with it is that, if multiple infoboxes are on one page, it would categorize them all under the page's name - this might not be a problem, but then again, we might want specific differentiation. If there is a way to categorize a page under a specific name (not just how it's alphabetized, but how it's truly displayed), then that would work. Otherwise, we'd still have to use the old method for multiple form species pages. This template would also only be used with the species articles, and not with character ones. (Though a character version would only require the removal of the category coding).

Once we can get this template working, however, I think it would be best to replace the current one with this version. Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day.  But set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.  03:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Pocket digimon world
Did you know about these games? Are they really THAT hard to find? Mattwo 10:55, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's the official site: http://www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/pocket/index.html and here's the Japanese wikipedia article: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%87%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89 Mattwo 12:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Toys
http://www.rakuten.co.jp/tsuuhanyarou/677733/595486/
 * I've got shiny WarGreymon, a mint Taomon, and Gallantmon just has loose kneepads (possibly missing shield). I'm going to sell most of my Digivolvers on ebay, so I'll be sure to give you a holler, and I'll start them as low as I can. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Digimon.net
I don't know if you've seen this yourself, but digimon.net has closed down the virtual pet section of its site. While we never really had plans to use most of that, since we could just use the file island info, we should still backup the profiles. Several of the evolution directories within the pet articles themselves are still up, so with that and the wayback machine, we should be able to do it.

I'm going to backup the Digimon, Pendulum, and Pendulum X this weekend (just saving the articles for each evo), do you think you could handle the Accel, Burst, and LR? Then we can finish the others next week maybe. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:25, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's the old address, but you'll have to wayback it. . Glorious  CHAOS!  23:00, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just realized, we'll need the mini profiles too. Eh. Glorious  CHAOS!  02:15, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Need help with attack refs
Since you're the one who usually does these, I want to make sure the refs are in the proper format. I'm about to post the Dictionary info, but after that, could you add this info as cites:


 * The Digi-battle card game incorrectly romanizes this attack as "Kongou Kaimandara" (Kongoukai Mandara)
 * Izuna is a form of sorcery, practiced by the Izuna Shugen cult of Mount Iizuna, which utilizes Kuda-gitsune. (Izuna)

You might need to re-place the current refs, if they're not in the right spots. Thanks! Glorious  CHAOS!  21:14, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, could you put on Beelzemon Blast Mode's attack list, that Rumble Arena incorrectly translates "Death Slinger" as "Dark Ringer"? Thanks! Glorious  CHAOS!  23:52, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also also, Talk:BlackWarGreymon. I would do these on my own, but I don't want to mess up your system. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:42, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also also also, Lucemon's Grand Cross is mistakenly listed on Lucemon FM's English DM card as its main attack. Glorious  CHAOS!  07:02, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

DDA
Please see this. I may have to redo what little I've gotten done so far. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:00, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Specifically, the MP required is different for Sakuyamon's version of the attack - if the MP listed there was a typo from the beginning, then good, we're fine. If not, then once we finish the first run-through, we'll have to redo any that have more than one user to check for whether they have the same stats. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:25, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * So the correct MP is "135", as listed on Sakuyamon's tech list? Good. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:59, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Please see User:Maitkarro/DW Data Squad
My comments:
 * The Agumon in my galaxy does not have all the listed techs. I don't know if these are all the learnable techs, or just what a wild Agumon has.
 * As far as I can tell, the D/E just lists the cartesian position in the galaxy, and have no influence on game mechanics
 * I don't know if the Stat Changes are constant. They do not correspond to the differences in stats listed in the encyclopedia.

I want to get that project going too (I'll get Dawn/Dusk done tonight or tomorrow). Do you have the game?

Notably, the encyclopedia never lists where a Digimon appears as an enemy, or what it drops. That might be a "checklist" type of thing for us to do, though I remember something about location bestiaries changing, so that's not good. Gamefaqs, then, I guess.

We should also start up Command and Ability pages (they are the same as DDA and Dawn-Dusk Traits, really) Command looks like only the G and E commands could be shared, though.

Also, the game fully uses the term "Mao", even in the encylopedia entries. Erg.


 * Eh, I'm placing the restart at User:KrytenKoro/Data Squad Encyclopedia, so I can remember where it is, and so we can keep his version for checking info on. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:53, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Basically, I'm not incredibly attached to "D/E" or "Stat Change", and I'm not sure whether Galaxy info should be combined with Encyclopedia info. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:00, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * In places, yeah. I mostly can't stand the lag - this game could have been acceptable without it.
 * About the draft, though, what are your thoughts on it? Should we have separate Encyclopedia and Galaxy pages? Should we list the D/E and stat changes? Glorious  CHAOS!  06:34, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * D/E, if I recall correctly, is "declension" and "elevation". It is literally the cartesian coordinates of the "constellation", and doesn't do anything as far as I can tell. Basically, do you want us to list it because it's part of the profile, or is it okay to leave it out because it's useless?
 * Stat change is the displayed change in your stats when you change from one Digimon to another. However, it doesn't correspond to the differences in the stats listed in the encyclopedia, so I'm thinking that it is based on what your current stats and level are, making any recording useless. I may be totally wrong, and it may just be because the encyclopedia apparently lists stats for enemy Digimon. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:20, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Deviate would like some help
http://withthewill.net/index.php?topic=2902.1905

Dawn-Dusk
Okay, we just have boss attacks, eggs, and items pages left, which should go a bit faster. Plus, they're much lower priority. Woo! Glorious  CHAOS!  05:45, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

More Images
Here's another image that needs renaming: Thanks. THB  → Talk ← 13:08, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * File:Coelamon.gif → File:Coelamon t.gif

My Talk:Alice McCoy post
I hope that I put that in the right spot, but while watching the anime and reading about the characters here, I notice some things. I hope it will clear up a bit of confusion for others that havent seen the anime.

thanks for the welcome and I could use your help can u make the links when I'm finished the episode page? for some reason I can't make any :(

Excuse me
I thought I was helping, but I like to say I was wrong. Excuse me. bye Criswolf09 22:52, July 15, 2010 (UTC) Criswolf09

Re: Screenshots
I'm not sure what it is I'm doing exactly that makes the shots come out better. Well, firstly, I use raw quality Japanese videos. I capture the screenshots on Windows Movie Maker - only problem with that is that screenshots are captured directly from the 'Preview' box, and I can't expand the box to the full 640x480 because of my computer screen (that's why most of my screenshots are 600x450). As for analyser shots specifically, most of them are taken from full shots within the episode (don't know about Xros Wars though) so I capture those shots. How do you get your screenshots? THB  → Talk ← 18:27, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

digimon xros wars
Watched the first episode today:) With english subtitles here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35xhmXULJJ4&feature=related

MetalGreymon Xros
This can be used as a source, methinks. Glorious  CHAOS!  09:16, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, this is beautiful. Glorious  CHAOS!  09:16, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * This indicates "Dark-Knightmon", and "×" can be used for the Shoutmon. I'll attack some of this when I wake up. Glorious  CHAOS!  09:18, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * lookit that. Glorious  CHAOS!  09:20, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Greeting
Hi Lanate, I know you never seen me before, but I'm new at improving the Digimon wiki. I will be always there to improve an article. By the way, you're cool man.M3 04:18, July 21, 2010 (UTC) M3

Xros Wars
Are you able to watch the subs? I've downloaded from both WPP and RyRo, and when I play them in FMP, it's just the raws. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:57, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

where do i put my fan digimon?
Hello I'm new to this wiki and I've already made a page of a fan digimon but i'd like to know how to put the article in the fan digimon section please reply, thanks. --The orange fox 21:34, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

/* Gabumon */ is a dog digimon
Insert non-formatted text here Your welcome.... people are saying that gabumon is a reptilian digimon when he is actually a dog type digimon.
 * No, it actually is a Reptile. It says as much on all the cards. Lanate (talk) 04:02, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

/*some help please. thanks*/
Hi Lanate

Thanks for welcoming me. I just wrote an article on a fan-fiction called Spirit's Edge! If it's not too much to ask, could you help spread the word so I can get some recognition and maybe constructive criticism? If not, that's okay too. But thanks for the welcome anyway! Really!

Thanks from Wh!te$tar

Differences
What's up Lanate, My name is M3, I know we met each other at first, but I'm new here. Digimon is cool, but I get the feeling that Digimon is kinda like Pokemon. Is it true that Digimon is a rival to Pokemon?

M3 23:01, July 31, 2010 (UTC) M3

Pokemon
Hi Lanate, This is M3 here, I appreciate the Digimon Wiki, but I get the feeling that some Digimon are like Pokemon in some way. You see I know the pokemon only utter their own names, but the Digimon can talk in full english. But I think that the Digimon, Agumon is similar to the Pokemon ,Charmander. I also think that the Digimon, Mammothmon is similar to the Pokemon, Donphan. Do you think that some Digimon bears some resemblance to Pokemon?

M3 21:39, August 1, 2010 (UTC) M3

hey dude
Hey I have a new page of Digimon Armoured Colours So I was wondering if you could take a look at it and tell me how I Could improve the comic and article.--DigimonAC 21:36, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

you're welcome.. and thanks for reconizing my small contribution to this great site.
well, that was my first time editing a page here..

I often visit this page to use it as a reference while playing digimon world 2 at my psx emulator because the data are accurate even if it is only a wiki site. but when i have seen something about veemon.. i had a strange feeling that the accuracy of information is only 98.9 percent accurate. so i decided to do some minor changes to make it at lease 99 percent.

I hope it helped our fellow digimon fanatics especially the ones who are playing digimon world 2.

-Kaito(PH)

Recent Digimon articles
Well, we now have names for all Digimon who have appeared in Xros so far. The missing ones were "Troopmon", "Chikurimon", "Gaosumon", "Monimon", and "Bommon (2010 anime)". Glorious  CHAOS!  04:05, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that one of them had Bommon, Monimon, and Pickmon in their armor. It was for SDT, I think. Incidentally, I started a template for SDT, and uploaded a zip of all the card scans minus the newest two promos. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:26, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Impmon>Devimon>SkullSatamon>Beelzemon
Are we assuming that these satisfy the gap in Impmon >> Beelzemon, like we did Chrysalimon and Keramon >> Infermon? Glorious  CHAOS!  19:23, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ooooh
http://www.digimonrpg.com/down/artwork.aspx?

http://digimonbattle.wemade.net/media/media_wallpaper_list.asp#main_banner

http://digimonbattle.wemade.net/bible/bible_list.asp#main_banner

ALSO! According to the Digimon Bible, it's using Ogremon's techs, not Fugamon's, for the English game. However, I can't seem to find a Korean version of the Digimon Bible.208.249.136.187 20:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'm REALLY uncomfortable with listing any VA that we can't source reliably, even if it's done informally. I have to get on the road now, so could you just comment out the ones I added a fact template to? If you can't right now, I'll do it as soon as I get home.208.249.136.187 20:59, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Pickmons
So, I don't think we want to consider these a separate Digimon for the episodes, since we don't treat Daemon, Gatomon, Arukenimon, or Mummymon as such. However, could you make sure that the digivolution templates have the right version?64.134.171.47 17:12, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Monitamon's Cutemon
Can you reget the image in 1,280×720, like the others? It looks a bit distorted like this. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:35, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to download some new RAWs to do it, so it'll take a bit. Lanate (talk) 04:57, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Digimon Battle
Since you understand the system in that game, could you go through and make sure that the evolutions in it have correct referencing on the applicable pages, that refs are combined where possible, and that non-DWEVOLVE evolutions are not present on those pages? Thanks! Glorious  CHAOS!  21:28, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Unimon
I was able to go through and get everything except for Horn Blaster in 02 (Horn Blaster in 01 was the same as Aerial Attack), and the attacks in Digimon World 3 and Championship. I used informal sourcing for each attack variation, but I wasn't sure which one you wanted to use as the main one and which ones to ref, so they're all still there. If you could take a look at it, that would be awesome. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:36, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, I am not sure about the mapping of Supersonic Wave to Spread Neigh, or Air Attack and Aerial Gallop to 'corn Thrust, due to the sources. However, I do know that Aerial Gallop is not the same as Horn Blaster, due to St-16. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:40, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Leomon >> BanchoLeomon
Aren't we accepting this as a claimed evolution, like we do with the few DWD-D DNA digivolutions? Glorious  CHAOS!  14:24, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Leomon > GrapLeomon and then GrapLeomon + Pandamon > BanchoLeomon. Lanate (talk) 14:27, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ooooooooh. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:45, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Pickmon > Starmon?
The TV asahi profile pretty bluntly says "Pickmon become Starmon". Do we want to count that as an evolution (the first normal one in XW)? I mean, it is pretty much on the level of all the other dictionary evolutions we use. Glorious  CHAOS!  15:42, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's explicit, go ahead. I'd prefer the specific line cited though. Lanate (talk) 00:03, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I did it based on the Tankdramon article's format, so I think I did it right. Also, do we want to add this to EVOREF?208.249.136.187 14:38, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia's "Good" Digimon rticles

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Digimon_video_games
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digimon_Racing

Digimon Adventure 02'', "The Road to Armor Evolution: Sudden Armor Evolutions
Actually, those quotes are from the CD. CD summary. 131.247.128.214 00:14, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Note, other than the five that do appear to fight Pukumon, the others were like cameos.131.247.128.214 00:17, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd probably be more receptive to those edits if they had the Japanese and, for some of them, were spelled correctly. Sources, disputed translations, and all that. Lanate (talk) 00:47, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

D1-CP
The CP cards are called "Campaign Cards", and if you use them to DigiXros, the resultant Digimon will have an Aura.

http://i33.tinypic.com/335gv2o.jpg

Glorious  CHAOS!  04:19, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Star Sword/Shoutmon X4
Now, it's not like we always require the digivolution scenes, anyway, so this may be a moot point, but for both of Shoutmon X4's appearances so far, it is formed when S + B + D DigiXros into Shoutmon X3, and then Starmon and the Pickmons DigiXros into "Shoutmon X4". Can we treat these as two separate evolutions, where one of them just doesn't have the names given?

So, instead of
 * Shoutmon + Ballistamon + Dorulumon > Shoutmon X3
 * Starmon + Pickmons > Shoutmon X4

We put
 * Shoutmon + Ballistamon + Dorulumon > Shoutmon X3
 * Starmon + Pickmons > Star Sword
 * Shoutmon X3 + Star Sword > Shoutmon X4

This caveat should also work for the first episode, I think, because, although it is not named, I'm pretty sure we see them forming X3, then X3 grabs the Star Sword (which was formed off screen, we could say). That would resolve the issues with incongruous evolutions, leaving only Shoutmon X3 (Incomplete), which is a storyline thing and seems like less of an error.208.249.136.187 14:37, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Dorulu cannon
I added XW09 as a source, since the episode preview was pretty explicit about it, and all we need for those is confirmation of "When does it first appear". If you think it's un-kosher, feel free to revert.208.249.136.187 18:46, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Brave Tamer megas
Someone added them all as partnered to their original partners. It's your call, since you're the one with the game. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:57, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome!
Thanks for reaching out and welcoming me, I truly appreciate it. I'm currently working on a Digimon Role-Playing site, and feel I could do a good job. I've seen every episode of the first five seasons as well as Digimon: The Movie (I only watch it in English Dub though), and feel that it is a subject that I could do a lot with. If you see something you may need help with, feel free to let me know, and I'll be happy to do my best! And thanks once again!!!

Animejason 01:49, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Problem With Pages Becoming Blank
Me and my friends have noticed that digimon are losing there attack text.

The ones weve noticed are

Liollmon and Ninjamon

Whats going on here is someone vandalizing the attack sections

Imthedead1sons 03:49, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Those pages had their attack sections blanked in our effort to provide only accurate information. The articles' attacks need to have their description sourced before they can be added again. Lanate (talk) 03:59, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

So when should it be fixed? Imthedead1sons 04:03, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whenever someone decides to add them with appropriate sources. Our Unimon page probably has one of the most detailed sections, with Dynasmon probably coming close. Lanate (talk) 04:07, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
Okay, now I understand. I wasn't sure what you meant before so thanks for clearing it up.--Wh!te$tar 16:40, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

"whines" Alright! Sorry, but I got annoyed. I undid their revisions probably three times and once it wouldn't let me anymore, I lashed out. Thanks for saying you understood, but I know I shouldn't have fdone it. Sorry you had to clean it up.--24.100.44.106 00:37, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Shawjamon
I tried to explain the convoluted word-borrowing and minor pun in one ref, since they only really needed to be explained for that technique, but it barely makes sense even to me. Basically, the literal translations in Japanese are:
 * Getsugasan - Moon Fang Product
 * Getsugazan - Moon Fang Slash
 * Kouyoujou - Fallen Subduing Staff

I wasn't sure whether to include them or not, since they aren't used literally in Japanese (when Getsugasan is used, it is a reference to the Chinese weapon, never some "Moon Fang" thing.), and the Chinese reading of the symbols in "Getsugazan" would mean "Crescent Moon Slash", but the thing is just really hard to explain succinctly. Could you take a look at it?208.249.136.187 19:51, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

ARG ARG ARG
So, they changed Pickmon's profile again. It is now a "Minor" type, and only has Chinchikurin and Shorty. The text of the profile is the same, though, but the profile is no longer called "Pickmon-tachi".


 * 1) Do we want to keep the Mutant types as "other classifications", or do we want to interpret them as errors? OR, do we want to assume that this applies to silver Pickmon only, since they changed the picture too?
 * 2) Do we want to remove the other techniques, seeing as they are still performed by Pickmon and Starmon together?
 * 3) Starmon was also temporarily listed as a Mutant, and I think Monitamon was too. Should we readd "Mutant" to theirs? Glorious  CHAOS!  14:57, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I want to interpret them as retconned errors, as the profiles don't exist anymore, unlike, say, cards.
 * We could put them underneath a "Group Technique" header, ala Trinity Burst and Golden Noose.
 * See 1. Lanate (talk) 15:36, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, put all of their techniques under "Unison Techniques" for both articles? Glorious  CHAOS!  15:41, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * They changed the Starmons Dictionary profile too. Wish Upon a Star is a Corps technique now, not Sugar Plum, and they removed Chinchikurin and Sugar Plum from the Starmons.


 * How about we keep Wish Upon a Star and Meteor Squall as Unison Techniques and leave Chinchikurin and Sugar Plum as the Pickmon's personal techniques for now. Lanate (talk) 15:53, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, would Starmon have any normal techs, or just Unison? Glorious  CHAOS!  14:41, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Reporting vandalism
Hello Lanate, I'm not sure if you are one of the sysops at this wiki (not really seeing labels on the front page, but I did see that one point that you corrected the Angel Digimon pages so rolling with it), but if you are, I'd like to report the unregistered user 75.1.68.236 for vandalising pages like Gummymon, A Million Points of Light, The Dark Gate, and Digimon Rumble Arena. Now, I have already reverted his edits to the way the pages were, but if you could finish the job, that would be good.Digi 00:35, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ive noticed this too

The Messanger,D-Reapers Feast, and Terriermon are being Vandilized. Imthedead1sons 00:54, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

AncientVolcamon
So.

Fused AncientVolcamon (合体エンシェントボルケーモン) is a legit Digimon, as much as Armed MadLeomon/MadLeomon Armed Mode is.

So, we have to add it to Warriors of Earth, I guess. (1) How do you want to do this, and (2) Did we ever discuss ExAgunimon and ExLobomon before? What was the decision on those, and given this development, do we have a different decision? Glorious  CHAOS!  19:13, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * The ExAgunimon and ExLobomon was pre-empted by a decision to treat the Battle Spirit "Ex" Digimon as renamed versions of the original and link their names to the appropriate Battle Spirit sections. Unless we intend to reverse that decision and give them individual sections, they don't factor in.


 * Fused AncientVolcamon should probably be added in the section right below AncientVolcamon on the Warriors of Earth page. Lanate (talk) 03:11, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Pickmon
I originally combined the asahi Pickmon profile with the dictionary Starmons profile, since there were elements missing from the Pickmon profile, but the new Pickmon profile got the important lines. Do you think it should still be listed, since technically the Starmons are a Starmon and Pickmon, not just one or the other?

Also, the image situation. Bandai image, because it's the species article, but do we keep the other two types in toei? Do we remove them? Arg, I wish they had done a group shot for this one, actually.208.249.136.187 13:03, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

The will of the corps is at the discretion of the Head of the corps, and the Head's decisions are briskly and unconditionally followed by the Pickmon, keeping them from falling out of line as they maneuver according to Starmon's directions. The complex maneuvers that are demanded by Starmon are demonstrated by the Pickmon, such as the corps techniques named "Meteor Squall" and "Wish Upon a Star".

On a similar note, this line was in the asahi profile for Shoutmon X3, but doesn't appear in the dictionary profile, and doesn't really say anything about Shoutmon X3 beyond who it evolves from, which is not necessary for our purposes. Plus, the asahi profiles have a bit of influence from the anime plot (ex: Cutemon), so there's that, too. Glorious  CHAOS!  14:43, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

It is a DigiXros of Shoutmon, who's all about speed, Ballistamon, who excels in defense, and Dorulumon, who specializes in "Hit and Away" tactics.
 * If you think the Starmons Dictionary profile's still relevant, then include it, if not, I believe it can be safely nixed. If you feel any line's unnecessary or too anime-influenced for the species bio, then you can remove it as well. Lanate (talk) 02:51, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

DigiXros profiles
I nudged the literal translations to specify the Digimon, since (1) it's obvious just from the names and pics, and (2) it gives kind of the false implication that these can be done with any set of Digimon, not those specific few. However, maybe that implication is right, so what is your opinion? Glorious  CHAOS!  15:09, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * The nudging's fine for now, unless it somehow changes later. Lanate (talk) 02:51, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Any Digimon World 3 stuff that needs updating?
I've got the game right here, and with the multiple emulator saves its pretty easy and fast to learn anything i need. just gimme a ring on anything that needs some work and i'll see what i can dig up :) RaZgRiZ 00:09, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Considering I've been busy, yeah, there are some things that'd be nice. Better quality shots of Vemmon, Snatchmon, and all of the Cardmon (Those were taken from DMA and I'd rather not have any disputes) would be wonderful, as well as confirmation for the Cardmon's individual names.


 * If you have the time, then the List of characters in the Digimon World 3 section really, really needs to be updated, but I'd rather you get the stuff in the above paragraph done if at all possible. Thank you in advance. Lanate (talk) 03:13, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Your site can use my pictures. Just as long as the source of the picture is noted in the 'comment' section. For example, for all of the Digimon World 3 pictures on my site, the source would be DMA or ZeroXm7 or both.
 * Regarding the original inquiry by RaZgRiZ, an attack list for the enemy Digimon in this game is something that I don't think exists anywhere.
 * Sorry if I'm not allowed to jump into someone else's comment on your talk page. --Deviate85 04:27, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm, i can get better pictures of the digimon you asked since the emulator does make everything less pixelated and better looking, but i can't remove the background. Though i have no idea what you mean by confirming cardmon's names? Apart from that, i did a huge update on the characters list of DW3 which i think you should check out, and maybe help a bit with the formatting if needed because i'm pretty inexperienced at it. In the process i'll roam the servers and list people for the "Other People" part of the list and populate it, unless you judge it needless. I can also start listing the special attacks of playable digimon, but that will take time. i don't yet have every single one, and i really do need to raise kotemon and kumamon to lvl 45 hehe RaZgRiZ, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the character list is probably better off just containing major characters and, since they're already there, people that you can fight. Random bystanders aren't necessary.  But it does look more fleshed out and better organized, so thank you for that.


 * Backgrounds on the images are fine; I just want them to be less pixelated. If you have a save file far enough, do you think you can do BlackSeraphimon as well?


 * Also, the thing about the Cardmon is that, so far, those names are from the Japanese version. I need to confirm them for the English version as well; Cardmon C1 is actually just Cardmon in the English version. Lanate (talk) 18:13, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * @Deviate85 - Thanks, I hadn't realized that. I put up a source and link on the images. Lanate (talk) 18:13, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * @Lanate - No problem.
 * @RaZ - I didn't mean the special attacks from playable / partner Digimon, GameFaqs actually has a complete list of those attacks. I meant the attacks used random enemy Digimon or at least the boss Digimon (Zanbamon, Persiamon, etc)


 * @Lanate - Sorry, i have already fought all the available AM bosses, so i'll have to start a new file sometime, probably with the PAL version because i want to be able to play after i finish >:D
 * As far as i've seen the Cardmons are indeed harder depending on the amount of cards, so i still don't understand what exactly i have to confirm about them.
 * Check this for BlackSeraphimon. I found the pic and improved dimensions and lighting a little bit: BlackSeraphimon
 * @Deviate85 - I've been using these guides for a long time now and i've seen that most aren't as complete as they should, and some of them even have mistakes. but still, i'll try to do the special attacks section for the enemy digimon when i get to start my new file :) ~RaZgRiZ, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * That BlackSeraphimon image is an edited recolor, something we specifically don't want on the mainspace articles.


 * For the Cardmon, I need their official names; the ones there are currently their Japanese ones. Lanate (talk) 23:25, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT: got a MagnaAngemon shot if you're interested :3 MagnaAngemon
 * All the Cardmons are named Cardmon. there is nothing separating those with different color and amount of cards. Their level varies depending on the amount of cards, and that is all that there is to it. Tomorrow i'll roam around to get the cardmon pictures, gn ~RaZgRiZ, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

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i got a good shoot of Vemmon through the rerun with the emulator. here it is, you might want to crop it and change the default one. Vemmon also, i wonder if you know what kind of digimon the one on the left side of the wall is, i can't seem to find it. the one on the right is a SkullGreymon's head though. catacombs 3rd EDIT: i got the BlackSeraphimon picture you wanted, BK Seraphimon ~RaZgRiZ, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sparrowmon and DarkKnightmon
Sparrowmon is explicitly the yellow bird. Also, do we want to upload screen-captures for these and the other un-official pictured Digimon? Glorious  CHAOS!  20:36, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, "Shoutmon + Dorulu Cannon" is an alternate name for the Dorulu Cannon (From asahi and these cards), even though the anime and dictionary just call it Dorulu Cannon. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:37, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure? I guess. Lanate (talk) 02:58, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hi and Thanks.
Could you send me a list of digimon that appear in Digimon World DS when their pages need work? I'm a fan of it and i've got a lot of information.

Dark Phoenix2 08:59, September 7, 2010 (UTC)Dark Phoenix2Dark Phoenix2 08:59, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

User:KrytenKoro/ChannelDump
Unlike Shoutmon X3 and all them, Cutemon and ChibiKamemon's profiles are completely based on the anime. For Cutemon, we have a Dictionary profile in the future, but for ChibiKamemon, we keep getting different info on whether it's even its own species or not. Do you want me to try and salvage any info from the asahi profiles, or should I just leave them alone completely and wait for the dictionary? Glorious  CHAOS!  21:09, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * We could also still use these for the character pages, though I'd rather those use full synopsis and storylinking to cover the plot. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:10, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Salvage what you can from the asahi profiles, but we can definitely change to channel when they're available. Lanate (talk) 02:58, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Shoutmon X4 Plus
- based on sword, I'm thinking Knightmon joins Xros Heart. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:48, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice. Is that from a commercial? Lanate (talk) 02:58, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

read me right this instant
someone keeps delating my changes to the Seven Great Demon Lords page and I want it to stop, my changes are importent and are 100% related to that page, so help me right now

--Doddman 04:59, September 9, 2010 (UTC) Doddman
 * They aren't. They aren't related to the SGDL at all, which is why I removed them.  Beelzemon X is, which is why I left it there, but Lucemon Larva, Daemon (Super Ultimate), and Beelzemon Blast Mode aren't.  I left the same message several times on your talk page.  Lanate (talk) 05:07, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Digimon Battle ``Mutant Dorimon``
There`s a ``Mutant Dorimon`` rental event at DBO with a new digivolution line: Dorimon > Dorumon > Guardromon (?) > DexDorugreymon > Raijinmon (?)

It`s okay for it to be messed up since they were ``modified by someone``.

Can those be taken in consideration since these aren`t player-induced evolutions?

http://digimonbattle.wemade.net/news/news_event_view.asp?p=3ce74393&s=3ce07a903ce743933cf4d599&f=3ce743933cf4d599#main_banner

what do you think about it?MetalGaogamonSeptember 9th, 2010, 1:37PM
 * Even though this is somewhat storyline, the context makes it seem like, no, it's not a real/natural evolution. Krten, can you weigh in?  I don't really think this should be cited. Lanate (talk) 03:55, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't like it, but it doesn't seem any different from a Greymon > SkullGreymon type of situation. We have a member of a species that digivolves oddly, but with no interference from the player. We could mention that it's a "mutant Dorimon" in the citation, if you want. Honestly, I stopped playing a long time ago, so I don't really have any context for this. Glorious  CHAOS!  12:44, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I added it under an "Event" qualifier. Lanate (talk) 04:36, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

read me right this instant again
Daemon (Super Ultimate) is related to Daemon a memmber of the Seven Demon Lords and Beelzemon Blast Mode is related to Beelzemon another memmber of the Seven Demon Lords and Lucemon Larva is related to Lucemon another memmber of the Seven Demon Lords. tell me how the are not related right now and please don't remove my changes because i know mor about digimon than you a lot more i spent my whole life devoted to Digimon, Pokemon, Dragonball and Transformers. the Point is I know more about Dogimon than you'll ever know.

--Doddman 18:59, September 9, 2010 (UTC) Doddman
 * Hahahahaha oh my God hahahahaha.


 * 1) Beelzemon Blast Mode usually digivolves from Beelzemon. Not all Beelzemon are members of the SGDL. Furthermore, no Beelzemon Blast Mode is listed as a member of the SGDL in the cards, etc.
 * 2) Daemon SU usually digivolves from Daemon. However, same situation as above.
 * 3) With the Larva, however, Lucemon Shadowlord's profile mentions both being a "Super Demon Lord" and the Larva. Do we want to include that, Lanate? The cards don't list either of them as SGDL, though. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:08, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * If the profile mentioned that they're Super Demon Lords, then the Larva can be added under related. But Daemon SU and Beelzemon Blast Mode do not belong on the page.  Lanate (talk) 03:55, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Shoutmon+
Could you add refs to Shoutmon + Star Sword and Shoutmon + Dorulu Cannon about how their name's used to be spelled? Thanks! Glorious  CHAOS!  13:12, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I added a ref for Shoutmon + Dorulu Cannon, but not for Shoutmon + Star Sword. The latter's difference is small enough to not matter, since I don't have refs for stuff like Lucemon: Satan Mode and Lucemon Satan Mode or Lucemon Larva (the difference being one "・". Lanate (talk) 04:36, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

From the Toei site
My friend cleaned these for me: . Glorious  CHAOS!  18:21, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

read me right this instant again again
They are related they dont have to be a member but they are related in some way. Beelzemon Blast Mode is part of of Beelzemon, mabye the Beelzmon  of the Seven Great Demon Lords is never seen in in blast mode but a Beelzemon has been seen in that mode and all Beelzmon are related in some way or another and the same goes for Daemon (Super Ultimate) being the the digivolved form of Daemon. Besides, I was putting them all in the related digimon section becuse the were Related to the Members of the Seven Great Demon Lords not the members themselves because the are related in some way and I'm sorry if i was rude to you in my last message. So what do you say?

--Doddman 18:55, September 10, 2010 (UTC) Doddman
 * So what you're saying is, because Digitamamon can digivolve to Leviamon, Digitamamon should be on the SGDL page? Glorious  CHAOS!  20:09, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Magnamon X
Based on Dα-535: Magnamon X-Antibody, we need to add Magnamon X as an evolution of Veemon, and vice versa. Not sure if that entails modifying the chart, though, and how it's done on Veemon's end, since it doesn't mention the Digimental. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:27, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * If it doesn't mention the Digimental, then we just assume a normal Digivolution. Lanate (talk) 22:41, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Gryzmon > Monzaemon
hey Lanate, why Grizzlymon (Gryzmon) evolves to Monzaemon, and Monzaemon does not evolves from Grizzlymon?

Chibickmon
Dammit dammit dammit

I have to go back and redo all the Pickmons appearances now.

ARGGGG! Glorious  CHAOS!  12:57, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Arg even more. I just realized that it's always called Pickmon in the anime. Should we keep them on the Pickmon page, then? I mean, the name just means "Chibi Pickmon".
 * Also, IceDevimon-DaiPenmon. Treat as separate Digimon, with own article? Glorious  CHAOS!  13:14, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, Shoutmon X4 K/night. It's prounounced "Knight", but the letters that appear are just "X4K". Do we want to keep the name "X4 Knight", or change it to "X4 K"? Personally, I prefer "X4 K", since it becomes a math pun. Glorious  CHAOS!  14:37, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, keep the Chibickmon on the Pickmon page.
 * Put IceDevimon-DaiPenmon on its own page, as it looks to be a true fusion.
 * I think we should use "X4K" if that's what it's written as. I used Ballistamon MC even though it's Ballistamon Mush Cottage. Lanate (talk) 17:52, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * IceDeviDaiPenmon done. But yeah, all the new Digimon introduced in the special? Arg, we have a LOT of cleanup to do of those. Glorious  CHAOS!  18:33, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh man, Ainz had the best idea. Maybe these are the mini-Pickmons that are used within KingWhamon? If so, I can revert most of what I did with the Chibickmons, and this will be no hassle. Glorious  CHAOS!  18:45, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, based on the image only, and their arms, they are the mini ones. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:03, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

read me right this instant again again again
okey wotrth a shot

--Doddman 21:06, September 17, 2010 (UTC) Doddman

Well.........................
no need for the thanks because someone else went onto the Golemon page that i edited and basically deleted everything that i put making everything a waste.

Just curious
When was Houko Kuwashima listed for Cutemon? I don't remember seeing it. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:35, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * So far, I've noticed it in episodes 7, 8, and 10/11. Lanate (talk) 04:44, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh. Sorry I missed it, then.
 * I'm going to try and finish off the translations on my subpage tomorrow, and get the templates up for Eps 10 and 11, and Ch 3. Sorry I'm taking so long. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:00, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Dramon
I understand that Examon is not a Dramon Digimon based on the fact that it doesn't have the dramon component in its name.

Jdogno7

Icemon
File:Icemon.gif isn't legit, is it? Glorious  CHAOS!  16:11, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it, considering that Icemon's first anime appearance is Xros Wars, I'm pretty sure it's fake. Lanate (talk) 16:16, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Absorbent
We could either keep that, which is the most literal translation, or assume that the kanji represent two words, "Absorption" and "Form". This would apply to MadLeomon Orochi Mode, IceDevimon EA, and IceDeviDaiPenmon EA. I'm fine either way. Glorious  CHAOS!  01:28, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine with me either way. Lanate (talk) 22:55, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Xros
For the Shoutmon series, we use the "X" symbol for it. However, for the Xros Loader and Xros Arena, we use "Xros". Because these have either official romanizations with X, or official romaji with X, I think this needs to be corrected to. Any objections? Glorious  CHAOS!  12:42, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think that because they write it out, we should leave it as Xros. Lanate (talk) 22:55, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Manga 04

 * 1) The OchiMusyamon they find after the battle - I have no idea whether it asked to join Xros Heart, though I would guess so, from the images and the calm discussion. Do we want to start a character page for it, or wait for further appearances?
 * 2) The flashback - do we consider the Digimon Dorulumon's fighting to be bolded as opponents, or do we consider Dorulumon itself and its platoon to be the opponents?
 * 3) The Knightmon and PawnChessmons shown - can we fairly assume that they are the Lake Zone ones? Can we mention it on their page? Or are they just a reference?
 * 4) Since the Mushroomon appear here, can we fairly well assume that they degenerated with Ballistamon in the previous chapter, even though they aren't shown after the MC until now?

Glorious  CHAOS!  15:14, September 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wait for further appearances.
 * How about neither because they're not affiliated with Xros Heart at that time?
 * I think we can assume Lake Zone until otherwise.
 * Sure.


 * Sorry about the late reply; I only just now looked at the manga. Lanate (talk) 17:29, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, would you happen to know what "Ochi" in OchiMusyamon refers to? It's stumping me. Lanate (talk) 17:35, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * It means "Fallen soldier" (Ochimusha). It's both a pun on how it runs from battle, and how they tripped over it.
 * Well, for the Cutemon + Dorulumon v Goblimon, I bolded the Goblimon as opponents. Same as for the opening dream.
 * Will do for the others. Thanks! Glorious  CHAOS!  20:48, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

ZombieGrizzlymon
There is a fan based digimon in the ultimate section. heres the link http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Fan:ZombieGrizzlymon

Imthedead1sons

Image name
Another image that needs renaming: Thanks. THB  → Talk ← 01:55, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * File:Armageddemon.gif → File:Armageddemon t.gif

Star Sword
So, it's only used on its own with Shoutmon X4 and Shoutmon + Star Sword. S+SS's profile never actually mentions Shoutmon, oddly enough, so do we want to just copy its profile over to the Star Sword section? Glorious  CHAOS!  18:43, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. I think that the Shoutmon + X stuff mainly deal with the X.  I really want them to do a Ballistamon + Dorulu Cannon though.  =P Lanate (talk) 01:42, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia
You've probably seen it by now, but basically, Wikia is implementing a new version that will make most of the formatting for our wiki incompatible. Infoboxes, especially.

Problem is, to move to a new server, we'd have to find a source of income for the wiki, and Digimon just isn't getting very much in facetime anymore. I honestly don't know what we'll do. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:32, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly, this is fucking insane. What the fuck was it that Scarecroe tried to do to our sidebar?  We're not only covering the anime, we're covering all Digimon media.  But I honestly don't have the money to support a wiki for too long, and I doubt anyone else can pony up the cash.  We're not going to get much ad revenue...  I think we're boned, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 01:58, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * If worse comes to worse, I....might be able to support the wiki, and we could do the same basic thing as wikimon does. The constant crashing they have to deal with scares me, though.
 * Yeah, and more than even that, we cover Digimon. His version didn't have links to that, if I recall correctly. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:01, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I heard of a mass exodus to ShoutWiki but they're in public beta mode. Lanate (talk) 04:26, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Bugra?
I don't know if you've seen that poster on the cardass site, but it calls them the "Bugra" army. It also says Blueflare and Crossheart, so it's certainly possible that they just ran it through a romanizer without consulting the original team. Do we want to change accordingly, or wait for a more reliable source? Glorious  CHAOS!  16:45, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait for a more reliable source. Lanate (talk) 06:21, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Digimon Battle quests
So am I just plain buggered since I haven't got the time to do all these (or even play at all, really)? Glorious  CHAOS!  02:26, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've quit myself; I'm pulling all of these off of the event and news pages for the site. Lanate (talk) 06:16, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

X4K and X4B
Given this, there really doesn't seem to be any delineation of B as a separate "word". Have you seen the episode yet? Do you think the K was attached, or separate? Also, would we consider Shoutmon X2 Plus to be X2+? Why don't you try it just to see  what happens?  13:49, October 5, 2010 (UTC)