User talk:Jdogno7

Hi, welcome to DigimonWiki! Thanks for your edit to the Dracmon page.

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Lanate (Talk) 14:21, 9 June 2009

Seadramon
That Seadramon being Michael's Seadramon is a direct contradiction from everything we have been given about Digimon partners, and the line you are relying on does not exist in the original. For the MegaSeadramon bit, there is the analyzer (With admittedly the same implication), but also the "Week of Seadramon" event (official for the dub), and the fact that it does not contradict anything about Myotismon's army. Finally, the phrasing used in the articles clearly states that it is only an implication.

I appreciate that you are trying to add to the wiki, but it simply doesn't work. 15:18, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are not at all listening to me.


 * 1) All Digimon Partners in Adventure were chosen as Digi-Eggs, and either hatched by the Partner, or they met when still in Baby stage. The Partner is the only one who can cause them to digivolve (the entire point of the digidestined), so there is no reason why a full-grown Seadramon would degenerate into a Betamon when Michael showed up, and tradition dictates that Michael would have found Betamon as an In-Training, Fresh, or Digi-Egg. The only exception is Gatomon, whose uniqueness is a huge plot point, and the result is that her Champion form is her default form. There is absolutely no indication that Michael's Betamon was lost and couldn't get to Michael, or that Seadramon is its default form. Furthermore, all Partner Digimon can speak, as well as most other Digimon, and the fact that the original Seadramon cannot clearly implicates it as a wild Digimon. It is a big stumbling block that Michael's Betamon/Seadramon can speak fluently, while the original Seadramon cannot. There's also no indication that any Digimon Partner, ever, has a "past life" - it always seems to be their first incarnation.
 * 2) If this were just about "Analyzer Implications", then your point could possibly stand. However, as I have stated multiple times, it is not - it's also about the context, and the contradictions. So, you're comments about Whamon are irrelevant.
 * 3) It was said by Fox Kids, who made the dub, so yes, again, it is official for the dub.
 * 4) Because it is not a "possible" implication. That's the point I've been reiterating again and again. Despite Patamon seemingly making the implication, the context makes your situation impossible.

Michael got Betamon in 2001, shortly after the battle with Diaboromon, so it is very barely possible that Seadramon got reformatted. However, I'm not exactly sure how the reformatting of the Digital World worked - most of the characters who the DigiDestined "meet again" are the same character as in Digimon Adventure, and weren't reborn or anything. Furthermore, we never see Seadramon get deleted, we never see MegaSeadramon get deleted, and it is highly unlikely, given Seadramon's behavior, that any of the Dark Masters would have deleted it. For Michael's Betamon to be the original Seadramon, Gennai would have had to basically killed the original Seadramon, then chosen to diddle with its data in order to make it nice and civilized, then sent it out to Michael. That doesn't make any sense. 23:11, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) Stop adding new topics to my page, it's annoying.
 * 2) Your points are pretty much worthless. You really should listen to what I'm saying, because you are wasting your time attacking points I'm not trying to make, and which are irrelevant to the discussion.
 * 3) You list several Digimon that were found at Rookie but that still does not explain why Michael's Seadramon is by default a Betamon. If it was to be the original Seadramon, it's default form should be a Seadramon or higher by Adventure 02. None of the digidestined and their digimon you list do anything to explain that.
 * 4) Your speculation about Betamon's IQ going up is (1) Pure speculation, meaning it's useless in an argument, and (2) Absolutely not supported by a single thing in the series, Adventure or otherwise. There is not one instance where we see a Digimon's IQ being raised by some outside force - the closest we see is Baby Digimon, who are physically unable to speak in English until they digivolve to In-Training.
 * 5) Tamers has a completely different system, and is the worst possible choice for an example in this argument. First off, there's a reason they're called DigiDestined in Adventure, and Tamers in Tamers - they are always chosen in Adventure. Secondly, the Digimon that were partnered at levels above champion DID NOT TAKE LOWER FORMS AS THEIR DEFAULT FORM. Again, your point is completely irrelevant.
 * 6) What does that Frontier bit have anything to do with anything?
 * 7) ...as I said with Tamers, THAT'S NOT HOW ADVENTURE WORKS. For fuck's sake, the episode where they introduce Michael is the EXACT ONE where they explain that they WERE chosen by mysterious forces!

Either spend some time actually listening to what I'm saying, or leave me alone, because all you're doing right now is filling up my talk page with irrelevant, meaningless spam. 23:40, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

One, Antylamon was a Deva, and Kudamon was a Royal Knight. Two, they were both from different seasons with different canons. Three, Seadramon was a normal, 'boss of the week' character in its first appearance. The only argument with any validity you've proposed relies SOLELY on the ten second sound bite from the American dub of a digi-analyzer that may or may not suggest that Beatmon may or may not be the same Seadramon from one of the first episodes of a series. Give it a rest. Mbjones90 09:12, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, jdogno. You are actually addressing my argument now.
 * Yes, you are right, Tamers and Data Squad show that a God-level digital entity can change the "default level" of a Digimon. Furthermore, there are even God-level Digimon in Adventure, so it is slightly possible for that part of your situation to have happened.
 * My response, then, is that (1) Azulongmon explains that all four of the Harmonious Ones were sealed, and it is indicated that they were barely able to get the four Adventure 02 Digimon. Betamon also doesn't mention being punished by one of the Harmonious Ones for any reason. Furthermore, while this provides a possible (though purely speculatory) solution for why Betamon is the default form, it still doesn't address the intelligence problem.
 * While you have demonstrated the possibility of a few of the points, I think the main thing to consider now is that you are relying on things happening that are never mentioned in relation to Betamon or the Holy Beasts, and don't appear anywhere else in Adventure 02. Furthermore, in order for the Seadramon in Adventure to be Betamon, it would seem that the Holy Beasts would have to act in a way that they are never shown acting elsewhere. For comparison, Gatomon specifically says in Adventure that she was scouring the Digital World for the strongest monsters, so the only non-explicit part of the MegaSeadramon implication is "Seadramon evolved to MegaSeadramon at some point" - everything else is covered, and it does not require anyone to act out of character. (Sorry if this is hard to understand).
 * So, you have addressed one of the main problems. However, there is still another big issue, and your story relies on the characters acting out-of-character.
 * I certainly appreciate your enthusiasm, and I'm not trying to insult you or anything. However, I hope you realize at this point that your claim is simply too far-fetched to be appropriate for the articles.
 * If you're having any trouble figuring out what to work on, most of the english cards still need articles. You can see Card:Main Page for instructions, and Card:BlackRapidmon for an example of a "finished" page. 10:11, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Murmukusmon
For Digimon names, our policy goes Written English > Japanese Romanization > English name by ear > Japanese name by ear unless the English name is clearly different from the Japanese. At the moment, the only written name for Murmukusmon is at the Digimon Dictionary, which is why it has been changed. Remember that Murmuxmon is a fan-romanization created by, I think it was WPP? We default to official sources once they become available. Lanate (talk) 15:22, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, Murmukusmon is pronounced the same way. Unless you can hand me the actual script the VAs used in that movie, we're sticking with the official romanization. Lanate (talk) 02:33, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Link me the videos, now. Before Kryten gets back and explodes.  I'll tell you if they're good sources or not. Lanate (talk) 04:48, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Both videos are from the same source: WolfPackProduction's very old fansub of the movie. Not an official source at all. Lanate (talk) 23:25, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

LadyDevimon, Devimon, etc.
Please don't add anything to the bios unless it is sourced. Those claims do not appear in the original bios (though Devimon's bio does say that it was originally a type of Angemon, i.e., Angemon, MagnaAngemon, SlashAngemon, ClavisAngemon), and if you can find an official source, then you need to cite it appropriately, as with Daemon. 08:07, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Chessmon
Note that the official name for KingChessmon in KingChessmon (White). That means that there may be a KingChessmon (Black) and thus the reasoning falls through. We'll just say it. Lanate (talk) 18:25, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

OR
http://wikimon.net/File:Bo-133t.jpg

That says "Seraph", not "Fallen Angel". Absolutely do not add stats that are false.67.175.13.87 16:31, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, do not change the stats without original sources such as the cards, games, manga, or anime. 21:04, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Seraphimon, etc.
Where are you getting this information? BlackSeraphimon has never once been categorized as a Fallen Angel Digimon. It's simply a mutated Seraphimon, with a Virus attribute instead of Vaccine. Still Mega, still Seraph. Bo-133t is the only source I know of that lists its stats, and it says Seraph. 06:40, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * NEVER EVER USE ANOTHER WIKI AS A SOURCE. WIKIMON WAS WRONG. 21:35, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

hey want digimon picture

Deva
While what you have added is true, it is already covered in the fiction section. On this wiki, our policy is to not have "Trivia" section if there is any way to avoid it, and in this case, there is. If you feel that them serving Zhuqiaomon needs to be emphasized, work it into the fiction section, but not in "trivia" style. Thanks. 10:58, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Mirror Offset
What is your source for that technique? 00:19, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

"What is wrong"
First off, once you've been reverted, you need to use the talk page. Second off, the main things that're wrong:


 * "Allied Fighters" is not an official term, and there's no real need to produce an entirely different section for something that's covered in the first line of each description.
 * The plot summary you added was full of bad grammar and spelling. It also has speculation.
 * Everything past episode 30 covers the "Xros Heart United Army", and should be dealt with on that article, not this one. I've said that several times, and it's plastered on the article. 13:58, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * The biggest part that had atrocious spelling and grammar was the plot synopsis that you uncommented. It's literally, top to bottom, full of errors.
 * As for the speculation, it's the arbitrary divisions you wrote up, like "Nene's portion", "Taiki's portion", "Allied Fighters", and the line "Nene and Sparrowmon presumably join Xros Heart as team members."
 * Nene and Taiki don't have exclusive armies. Taiki can DigiXros Sparrowmon, and Nene can DigiXros Wisemon. Nene can also control X5, with Taiki controlling MetalGreymon. It is inaccurate to say anything beyond "Sparrowmon is one of Nene's partners" -- to actually divide up the page as if there is some kind of formalized, subdivided army hierarchy is inaccurate to the anime.
 * If something has been commented out with a copyedit note, you need to take a fine-toothed brush to it to clean up the grammar, spelling, names, and facts, long before you think of uncommenting it. 08:05, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * You know what, I'm really tired of having to clean that synopsis section off the page each time, so just, copy your version here, and keep working on it till it's readable. When you think it's done, ask me or Lanate to review it.
 * I'll just say though, the entire thing is basically unusable. The grammar and flow of it are simply atrocious, and for stuff like that, you should only really be using it as a reminder of what happened -- start a totally new synopsis that you wrote yourself, don't try to fix the shitpile that was left there. 04:22, August 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I really wish people would ever use the talk pages to suggest changes, like I've asked...anyway, here goes:


 * In general, very poor grammar.
 * Frequent usage of out-of-universe phrasing, like "in episode x".
 * Incorrect links for most of it: any links to a character should be directed to their character page, not their species page.
 * Numbers should always be spelled out unless they are more than one hundred.
 * Trash like this: "(Who fans thought ever since Dorulumon joined Xros Heart, wouldn't be seen again.)"
 * Verbs are never to be capitalized.
 * Over-detailed descriptions of fights, like with "Greymon who uses his Blaster Tail attack"
 * Over-detailed and stuttered descriptions of conversations, like "She says it's her younger brother Yuu. Nene then says "All I want is to go back to the human world with Yuu. If he can make that happen for me, then I don't care if I have to follow the devil himself!""
 * This: "(That 3 out of all 4 armies on the show oy)"
 * "(who was later revived and subsequently purified into Leomon when the final code crown was found)" is totally irrelevant to Shoutmon X3.
 * "destroy Neptunmon (who was later revived in a purified state of good when the last code crown was found)" is again totally irrelevant, and destroy simply isn't an appropriate verb in a universe where anything can be brought back. I'm not entirely sure what the correct verb is, but that isn't it.
 * "IceDevimon-Daipenmon Enhancement Absorbent (a merge of IceDevimon+Daipenmon)" is redundant, and not relevant to X4K.
 * "an entire army of (even Mega level)" is simply false. There has been not an iota of evidence that levels exist in the Xros Wars universe: even the video game did away with levels in favor of everything being done through DigiXros. Even worse, the Jintrix cards (which do indicate levels) claim stuff like ZekeGreymon being Champion-class while MetalGreymon is Ultimate-class. Levels simply aren't useful for any kind of comparison in this setting.
 * If you try to build the section on the talk page, or in comments, and ask for corrections, I will try to help you. If you post a very low-quality section on the page, even if you are trying to do a good job, I'm going to remove it and ask you to start again. I really wish I had more time to write the things up, or clean up what you've written myself, but I don't. All I really have time to do is to tell you where the mistakes are, and decide whether something is good enough to be on the page. I'm sorry for that. 07:29, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Hey, I'm Ansem, Ansem the Awesome. I'm new and I was hoping that I could get some help. Thanx!

User:Ansem The Awesome

"Evil Head Officers and 108 Zones"
The page uses the actual names of the anime seasons. Please do not make up titles. 14:03, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Block
You have been blocked for two weeks for continuously adding false information to List of Digimon Xros Wars episodes.

For future reference: No, things do not need titles if they don't have them. 15:11, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for responding. I'm just trying to learn some new things, since now I have Digimon Dawn. I stopped watching at Data Squad due to a lot of things. Thanks for the info about fan fics. I may start one soon. Thank you, Ansem THe Awesome

Vandalism warning
This is a warning for vandalizing Renamon (Data Squad), Yuma Kagura, and Tsukasa Kagura. Your edits were unwelcome and have been reverted. Further vandalism will lead to a block from editing. 13:21, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Would you care to explain what you think you're doing, reverting standard cleanups to previous states of false info, horrible grammar, and improper linking? 13:21, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * You've been blocked for a week. Again, when reverting an edit, make sure that you aren't reintroducing a shit-ton of grammar, spelling, and other problems. 20:14, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * You've been blocked for two weeks. Same problems as above, PLUS edit warring. If an edit is controversial, use the talk page instead of spewing it back on the main article. 08:10, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Colons and Larvae

 * 1) I've left several reversions noting that you're using colons wrong. My finally yelling is frustration with your refusal to listen to anyone, not arrogance.
 * 2) Larve is a misspelling, not a grammar mistake. 22:34, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Which is a petulant, shitty little thing to say. If you've made a mistake, own up to it and correct it, rather than pulling stupid shit like "well, you've made mistakes too so I should never have to correct my own." 11:49, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Chronicle
The problem with our Chronicle coverage is that most of the information needing to be sourced appeared "a long time ago", and it's not evidenced by any of the comic strips. The chapters of the manga also came with booklets with the story in prose text, which have more story than just the chapters, and were never translated. Vande from Digital Starlight was only able to get the first booklet, and thus it's the only one she could scan, and the information contained on it was never translated.
 * The source we are waiting for are scans for the other three booklets. Until we can find these, info such as Shinji siding with Yggdrasill, and having Omegamon X as his Partner, will remain unsourced. We also need to translate the first booklet before we can use it's info. 02:37, August 27, 2012 (UTC)/23:37, August 26, 2012 (Brasília)
 * I hope you are sourcing your Chronicle-related edits to these booklets, because they sure as hell don't happen in the available manga. If so, then they need to be sourced with quotes, or linked to a site with Japanese transcripts of the booklets so that other editors can check them. Furthermore, for in-line synopses, the storylink template should be used. 12:33, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Do not edit pages if you have not checked the primary sources
This edit is completely wrong. Do not edit pages based on hunches, in the future it will be considered vandalism. 11:42, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Your edit to the DarkKnightmon DigiXros Chart was also absolutely false and was basically dishonest since you sourced it to this, which very obviously does not say the thing you said it said. 08:32, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Look...I understand that you're trying to make all the info make sense and be organized, really I do. But there's a certain point where Digimon simply doesn't fit into neat categories, and we've got to be honest about that instead of making stuff up like the Shoutmon X3SD units, or the subtitle for Digimon Xros Wars season 1. I hate that I've been yelling at you so much, but you're really wearing on our last nerves here by continuously doing this kind of stuff, instead of getting familiar with our policies and manual of style. I would highly suggest that you ask Lanate or G-SANtos to mentor you for a while, instead of getting into fights with me. I really do appreciate your work ethic, but we need you to be doing things the right way. 08:45, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

This wiki uses it. 12:40, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Knightmon
You did have sufficient warning, as I had explained several times what you were doing wrong. Your refusal to pay attention will not be accepted as an excuse if you happen to edit war any further. I would highly suggest that you work on something non-controversial until you are familiar with the MoS, like uploading card scans from our zip file, or filling in the video game stats using our approved formats. 13:49, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

List of characters, and final warning
This is your final warning about edit warring, by the way. If it happens again you will be banned permanently.
 * If another editor has reverted your edits once while citing policy, you need to start using the talk page instead of fighting it out on the main page. 14:04, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

14:04, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Parantheses: These should not be used in a professional text. Basically, do not use them on the wiki unless a primary source uses them. You have been informed of this many times before.
 * Colons: Nothing suggests they should be used to denote a pause; that is the function of the semicolon or emdash.
 * Simple English: This wiki is not the Simple English wiki, and you need to stop breaking multi-clause sentences down. Ninety percent of the time, they are communicating the same or a linked thought, so breaking them down makes them worse. You have been informed of this many times before.
 * C and W templates: Stop removing them. Their use is mandated by the wiki MoS, and you are basically vandalizing articles by undoing them. You have been informed of this many times before.
 * "All five of them combine": There is no need to phrase this so awkwardly.
 * "In which Lucemon hides himself": "Himself" is redundant.
 * "Blindsided": Susanoomon is blindsided, not the Ten Legendary Warriors.
 * "Subsequently proceed": This phrase is a literary abortion. The two words are almost entirely redundant to each other, and sound assinine.
 * "-ing": Using this more than one or two times in one sentence is just wrong, and sounds awful.
 * "evolutions": The dub term is "digivolutions".
 * Oxford comma: It is not "allowed", it is required.

About edits
Learn one thing: When you want to fix a page, you don't revert someone's edits to do it (unless it was someone vandalizing the page) if that edit was correct, you just get your text and adapt it into the new version. 14:50, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * DON'T REVERT! EDIT THROUGH WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE ARTICLE! If you do this again, you'll banned permanently. 00:05, October 10, 2012 (UTC)/21:05, October 9, 2012 (Brasília)
 * You didn't even add anymore edits. You just reverted the corrections G-SANtos and I had made. That is unacceptable, and if we have to tell you again then yes, you will be banned permanently. 00:23, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * You had fifteen hours, don't make up bullshit about not having time. One hour after I added my corrections, you reverted all of G-SANtos and mine MANDATORY corrections, without making any further improvements.
 * You were warned not to do this before now, you were warned tonight, and you continue to do it. If you were just disagreeing about content, that would be one thing, but you're actually ripping up the coding and reintroducing uncontroversial spelling and grammar corrections. You are being a complete detriment to this wiki, and you have shown no inclination to work with others at all.
 * You have been permanently banned from this wiki. If you wish to edit here again, you need to show that you will actually follow wiki policy. 02:19, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Meatpuppetry at MegaMan Knowledge Base

 * 1) You have been informed that this is the correct page to air any dispute your ban. That you believed you could trick me by using another account on another wiki does NOT remove this requirement, and is in fact further evidence that you have no intention of acting honestly or following wiki policy. If you harass me again on another wiki,  I will request that Wikia staff ban you globally .
 * Yes, if you had responded here, the admins would have seen it and replied. Again, your fevered delusions that dishonesty and trickery were the better tools are not facts and do not absolve you from following wiki policy.
 * 1) Your "friend", in his first post on the MegaMan wiki, alleged that he had no idea why he was unable to access the wiki and that he had no idea who could have been banned to keep him from accessing. Furthermore, if you HAD truly been using a friend's account, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BLOCKED FROM EDITING ON THIS WIKI. It is clear from the posts that KillerBird made that you were either sockpuppeting (signing in on a cloned account belonging to you and pretending to be someone else), hacking someone's account (a globally bannable offense), or that you had asked your friend to engage in meat puppetry as well as to lie to an admin (another bannable offense).
 * 2) "Flimsy pretext": It was a flimsy pretext to revert the page because (1) G-SANtos and my edits did not noticeably affect the content of the page, and were in fact primarily corrections to the page coding. (2) you had not edited the page in fifteen hours. (3) it is against WIKIA-WIDE policy (not just Digimon Wiki) to revert other editor's edits simply because they are not yours. You have also been informed that if you dispute the content of a page, you should explain your claims on the article's talk page, instead of reverting the edit.
 * 3) "Admin edits": In this case, yes, the admin edits were incontrovertible, because they were CORRECTING ERRORS IN PAGE CODING AS MANDATED BY THE WIKI MANUAL OF STYLE. They were not a dispute as to the content of the page, and your reversion in fact broke the coding of the page in several places.
 * 4) On your talk page alone, I can find a notice that you were using the wrong link format as far back as August 2011. That is fourteen months ago. You were then blocked for one week in June for PRECISELY THE SAME ISSUE AS THE ONE THAT YOU ARE NOW BANNED FOR. You were given another warning, and notice that the next violation would lead to a permanent ban, on August 2012. You were warned again by G-SANtos on October 9, then banned permanently on October 10 when you ONCE AGAIN wholesale reverted maintenance edits. I'm sure if I look throughout edit summaries and article talk pages, I can find even more examples. Regardless, it is a complete falsehood for you to claim that you being warned over a period of months is an "absurd, preposterous, ludicrous, ridiculous, nonsence, bullshit lie!", because, as I explained previously, you were explicitly warned that this behavior was considered vandalism over a year ago, blocked for it five months ago, warned again two months ago, and told that you were about to be banned a day before you were finally banned.
 * 5) Criticizing me for not tolerating your antisocial behavior, your zero-quality edits, and your outright vandalism is not only stupid, but a bad complaint to make when trying to argue that you'll respect other editors and work according to wiki policy.
 * 6) Furthermore, criticizing me for a minor typo is a stupid complaint to make when trying to argue that you'll respect other editors and work according to wiki policy.
 * 7) That is a lie. We always leave the blocked editor's talk page open so that they can appeal their ban. There was absolutely nothing forcing you to harass me on another wiki while pretending to be User:KillerBird. Furthermore, you WERE given time to reply to my last response, because your talk page IS STILL UNLOCKED.

In summary: you have consistently shown the following:
 * You completely lack respect for other editors, and will revert their edits or insult them irregardless of the work they do.
 * You have no intention of following wiki policy, either as applied to wiki style or disciplinary rules.
 * You have no intention of following wikia-company policy, as applied to harassment and disciplinary rules.
 * You are habitually dishonest, and choose to lie and attempt to defraud other editors even when perfectly legitimate avenues are left open to you and you are explicitly informed as to how to use them.
 * You have a very poor grasp of grammar, spelling, quality writing, or even what actually occurs in the Digimon franchise, which generally makes your contributions to the wiki useless.
 * You refuse to listen to or give any heed to other editors when they point out these glaring flaws and either warn you of their consequences or try to clean up your work.

Your ban is upheld.

''If you wish to explain how your edits followed wiki policy, or why we should believe that you will follow wiki policy if we unban you, please do so below. This is  NOT  a space to complain that we don't tolerate your tantrums enough.'' 20:41, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Appeal
"You have been informed that this is the correct page to air any dispute OF your ban": So you say, I "have a very poor grasp of grammar, spelling or quality writing".
 * 1) First of all, I was never informed that this was the place to appeal a ban. However, I thank you for letting me know of that.
 * 1) Well, considering that my edits in relation to the Xros Heart army, Digimon World Data Squad and Knightmon were often not given a reason to why they were not correct, by AMIDNS.
 * 2) I am feverntly against using dishonesty and trickery as standard modus operandi or code of conduct.
 * 3) WHEN have I EVER stated that I have NO INTENTION to follow wiki policy?
 * 4) Well I was certianly not hacking another account as I do not know how to and do not wish to know how!
 * 5) Other than having to approach you to appeal through someone else, I did not lie about anything!
 * 6) I have explained why there was "15 hours" of no activity.
 * 7) If I had wanted to revert every edit that wasn't mine, I would have erased the article and then reinserted it. WHICH I DIDN'T DO!
 * 8) "antisocial behavior, your zero-quality edits, and your outright vandalism": to label me as such is not only an outright false exaggeration but a bona-fide show of intolerance and attempt to ostracise someone.
 * 9) Respecting others, doesn't mean you won't point out their mistakes. I am trying to make the point, as I did previously that you accuse me of gross error but act as though you are above error. I have also stated that because you an Admin, are capable of error, does not mean a Non-Adin doesn't have to correct theirs, merely that you should not act as though you are above making mistakes.

In summary:
 * I DO NOT completely lack respect for other editors.
 * I DO NOT insult others in an unwarranted fashion of behavior.
 * I DO NOT revert edits unless I feel that they are wrong.
 * I feel that I am being INSULTED, "irregardless of the work [I] do". But considering that it's happened twice outside of cyberspace, I'm not suprised in some ways. No I am not seeking sympathy, I am seeking empathy. I don't want people feeling sorry for me about anything, just for understanding.
 * I am trying my best to follow wiki style and disciplinary rules. I know, I haven't done it perfectly but I am trying.
 * I had no intention to harrass you, merely to speak with you.
 * I am NOT HABITUALY DISHONEST. I ONLY lie WHEN I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. I DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DEFRAUD OTHER EDITORS.
 * "...perfectly legitimate avenues are left open to you and you are explicitly informed as to how to use them.": If I knew of legitimate avenues, I would always use them.
 * As I have noted before, in relation to three incidents of editing, it took many times to be "EXPLICITLY INFORMED" of what was wrong.
 * "You have a very poor grasp of grammar, spelling, quality writing, or even what actually occurs in the Digimon franchise, which generally makes your contributions to the wiki useless.":Beg to differ, I have provided evidence to the contrary.
 * "You refuse to listen to or give any heed to other editors when they point out these glaring flaws and either warn you of their consequences or try to clean up your work.": WRONG! In relation to disputes between me and you, I could note at least 1/4 if not 1/2 a dozen times, that I listened and gave heed to things you said.
 * First of all:

"==I'm sorry== I understand now what I was doing wrong on the Xros Heart page. Can I please be unblocked on that page? I make sure to not repeat what I was doing again. Please!

Jdogno7."


 * I apologised for what I was doing wrong when I finally understood.


 * "I make sure to not repeat what I aws doing again.", should be "I'll make sure to not repeat what I was doing again.": the point is I made a mistake and I could admit so.
 * Second of all: Haven't I given you a copy of what I wrote concerning the Xros Heart Army to check.
 * Third of all:

"==DarkKnightmon's Digixroses==

For the record, I never checked whether Shoutmon X3SD was shown to be formed from such a combination at this, I merely assumed it was. I thought that such a combination did officialy exist, just that nobody put it up.

Jdogno7

P.S I didn't knowingly lie, I just didn't check things thoroughly. However, I will avoid doing so in future."


 * I accepted that I made a mistake and would act more carefully in future.


 * Fourth of all:

"==Renaming==

What was the problem with renaming "Kari Kamiya" to "Hikari 'Kari' Kamiya"?

Jdogno7 (talk) 06:00, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * That it's not her name in the dub. 05:01, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Well what about "Taichi 'Tai' Kamiya", "Yamato 'Matt' Ishida" and "Takeru 'T.K.' Takashi"? Is that their names in the English dub?

Jdogno7 (talk) 01:11, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, first episode. Lanate (talk) 01:53, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

That merely shows that, that is their (Tai, Matt and T.K's) full names with nicknames. That doesn't contradict "Hikari 'Kari' Kamiya".

Jdogno7 (talk) 01:30, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's what you asked for: canon information that those three names are their full names with nicknames.


 * The burden of proof is up to you that the canon dub name is "Hikari 'Kari' Kamiya". We know that her dub name is Kari: do you have proof otherwise? Lanate (talk) 01:48, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, I concede on this discussion point.

Jdogno7 (talk) 01:56, October 10, 2012 (UTC)"


 * I accepted in the end that I had no further argument or proof of any kind that the dub name for the character was "Hikari 'Kari' Kamiya", so I graciously conceded on the discussion point.

That is what I have to say to your last reply on the matter.

Jdogno7
 * I don't give a shit if I ostracize you, and I'm not taking back what I said: it is completely true and justified. You have vandalized this wiki far too much for the "pity card" to work on me. I also don't give a flying duck about the rest of your weaseling and whining above, because it does nothing to demonstrate that you're trustworthy: all it demonstrates is that you will whine, attack, and try to make excuses when punished, instead of correcting your abhorrent behavior.

I've explained several times why you were banned, and the reason shows up every time you try to edit. I'm going to state it one more time:
 * You were banned because you completely reverted edits whose basis was correcting Manual of Style violations. You were banned because you continued to violate this basic policy even after being warned multiple times.

As I said earlier: you will be unbanned if you can either (A) demonstrate that the ban was given in error and that you did not violate wiki policy (you did, though, so this avenue is closed to you), or (B) convince the admins that if unbanned, you will not violate wiki policy again. Address this. If you ignore it and try to whine about other issues again, then I'm done: you can wait until one of the other admins has the patience to deal with you, but this is the last chance I'll personally give you to come clean. 03:38, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Last Statement
I have said everything possible in my defence, so all I have to say is this: If I and my friend (KillerBird) are unbanned, neither of us will violate wiki policy again.

Jdogno7

Template:C
Please start using the C template appropriately, and calm down on linking everything: links are only really needed if the target needs further explanation. 21:02, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * See this edit. 00:43, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Links and dub name
In case you don't read edit comments or did't read the recent, I'll say here: Please, don't link to species pages when refering to a character. Links to species pages are only needed when it's a generic member of the species who is just an extra with no significant role in the episode/chapter or a random gameplay enemy, or in the lead paragraph for a character of that species.
 * Also, Taiki's dub first name is out: Mikey. So use "Mikey" instead of "Taiki" from now on, okay? We'll use the Japanese surname, Kudō, until the dub surname is out. 12:01, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Okay understood. But can I ask in your opinion: Is the article quality improved overall since I have been editing? Have my edits being a positive contribution to the article in general?

Jdogno7

Xros Wars question
For all inquiries regarding the facts of the Digimon Xros Wars anime and manga, if it's not related to the articles on the wiki, you're probably going to be better served by asking on the forums at http://withthewill.net 16:35, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Beelzemon + Deputymon
Beelzemon + Deputymon is the placeholder name that the wiki uses: the DigiFuse has no official name yet. As for your other questions, you're asking a lot of interpretational stuff that I either don't have time to get into, or stuff that doesn't have an explicit answer, like the Yggdrasill question. I suggest you make your questions on withthewill.net instead if you need to get clarification or discussion. 15:24, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Midnight
It's tenuous enough to assert that a Digimon that does not obey or care about the human, and is in fact actively imprisoning that human, is their partner.

It's worse when you completely make up claims about them being partners when the Digimon didn't even appear until after the human left the army, or when the Digimon died before the human ever joined the army.

It's complete BS when you do this after we've told you, multiple times, that we list the Digimon as being partnered to the army (which they are) rather than the human (which they often arent).

We have been overwhelmingly forgiving with you, but if you start up again with ignoring other editor's corrections or inserting complete speculation, you will be banned permanently. If something isn't made obvious in the series, deal with it. Stick to reporting what can actually be sourced. 12:35, October 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Your disregard for this message has landed you another ban. If you wish to come back, you know the drill, but be warned that from now on you'll get new bans for each violation, no more warnings. 16:27, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

For What?
Why am I banned now? What did I do wrong?

Could someone please explain? I am genuinely puzzled at why this ban has occurred?

Could someone please explain specifically what I did that was wrong, thus why I was banned?

How did I disregard the message, can someone explain that?

Would someone please answer?

I promise I won't do it again. Just explain what I did that was wrong.

Jdogno7
 * Just ask once, seriously. It's been two days.
 * You edit warred, again, on adding Yuu and Nene to the partner list of every member of Midnight, after the message above explained to you that not only was this flat-out false in multiple instances, but that the current wiki policy and consensus was to denote the characters as being partnered to the army, to avoid the silliness of claiming that, for example, the Guardromons that try to keep Xros Heart from rescuing Nene are Nene's partners.
 * Once again: edit warring. Is. Not. Acceptable. You continuously revert other editor's contributions to your own version of events, even though your interpretation often lacks evidence or is in direct contradiction to what the material explicitly states. You even do this when the other editor is only making grammar/spelling improvements.
 * While this wiki practices unlimited forgiveness for past errors, you've exhausted our patience for giving out warnings. Going forward, you can still request to be unbanned, but each time you break the rules you'll be banned again, no warnings and no notice, until you actually get the lesson we're trying to teach you. 15:11, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Okay I won't do it again. I'm sorry. Can I please be unblocked?

Jdogno7

What are you playing at?
First you unblock me, then you block me the next moment, what exactly is going on here?

Jdogno7
 * I unblocked you, but blocked KillerBird7 because you had been using that account for either sock or meat puppetry during your block. However, despite claiming on that page that you're separate people, you're admitting here that you're the same person, so I'm counting this as another violation and you get this account banned again as well.
 * Same policy as normal, although I'm going to be busy this week and won't be able to check this until Monday. 15:37, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

I was NEVER using KillerBird's account for puppetry of any kind, during my most recent block!

We are separate people!

In what way did I ever admit that we are one and the same because we are NOT!

All I did was express astonishment at being blocked so soon after suddenly being unblocked.

Jdogno7
 * Right, and you weren't. He was. So if "you" were blocked, that means he is you. Furthermore, you've admitted in the past that you use his account for puppetry. 13:41, October 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * In any case, there's no need for further discussion here. You know the procedure on how to get unblocked, so just make sure you're familiar with the policies re:edit warring, relying on sources, and evading bans, make a statement below, and then just don't violate them again. 13:45, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

"He was" what? What was he doing? What do you mean by that if I was blocked that means that KillerBird is me? We are separate individuals!

I never said I use his account for puppetry! All that happened was he made an appeal on my behalf!

Jdogno7
 * And that counts as meatpuppetry, as does asking him to make edits for you (if he's even a separate person).
 * Look, the policy here that you broke was using another account to evade the strictures of a ban. When you're banned, you shouldn't be having any effect on the wiki beyond discussion of how to correct your behavior. As long as you understand that, we can unban you. 18:42, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

I swear that KillerBird wasn't making edits on my behalf but on his own behalf.

Jdogno7

However we both understand the general policy you are trying to convey to us and we will both do our utmost best to adhere to it.

Jdogno7

Hello, is anyone going to respond? What's happening to me now?

Jdogno7

Hello, is anyone out there?

Jdogno7
 * You've been unblocked. 02:24, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Shoutmon X7 vs Apollomon Darkness Mode
There are a ton of actually helpful things you could be doing to help the wiki, like uploading card scans or fixing the coding for episode articles. Please use your time more productively. 13:50, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Ban
You have been banned again for edit warring. 13:19, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Where was I doing that?

Jdogno7
 * Anything involving the xros wars partners issue, and . 17:48, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I will drop it then. Can I please be unbanned?

Jdogno7
 * You've been unbanned. The issue isn't that you disagree, though -- it's that you ignore other editors and edit war on your version of the article. If you learn to take your stuff to the article talk page and wait until you achieve consensus, you'll do a lot better. 23:46, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

I just go blocked again! What for?

Jdogno7

Partners
As we've explained previously, what is wrong with making that claim is that it is inaccurate. Xros Wars does have a concept of partners, and it generally only applies to the lead Digimon in the army (Cutemon and Angie being the sole exception), for those Digimon, there are explicit statements that they are partners. The rest of the Digimon in the army are part of the army, and it's often ludicrous to claim they are partners to the human, because there are many, many instances of members of an army acting against the human's interests.

Please actually read the comments left by other editors when they make edits, or when they leave messages on your talk page, because this has been explained to you a ton of times. 13:33, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I explain in the previous comment why it's inaccurate to list all members of an army as partners -- we only list them as partners if the official sources explicitly call them partners, as they do for Angie and Cutemon or Mikey and Shoutmon. Because you seem to have misunderstood what I said when unblocking you the last time, I will give you one last warning: if you disagree with another editor's edit, you should discuss it on the talk page. However, adding in the generals as partners for their soldiers is inaccurate, and this has been explained to you multiple times. Unless you can provide an explicit source that a Digimon is considered the human's partner, DO NOT MODIFY THAT PART OF THE INFOBOXES AGAIN. 04:38, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not ignore your talk page edits, I answered them right here. We've explained this to you several times, especially why what you are doing isn't just non-consensus, but flat-out wrong. We also have a policy of deleting talk pages that only have resolves issues.
 * DROP. THE. PARTNER. ISSUE. You are vandalizing at this point and we're tired of it. 03:31, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

This is as clear as I can possibly make the explanation

 * 1) It is vandalism to modify the infoboxes without adhering to the consensus policies defining what the infobox means, as laid out at Template:Digimon Infobox as well as the clarifications we've given you. Specifically:
 * 2) After the Xros Heart United Army is created, Fusion Fighters, Blue Flare, and Nene and Yuu's Midnight essentially stop existing. Any Digimon who joins after that point is part of the United Army, not the previous smaller components.
 * 3) If you can't point to an official source explicitly stating that a Digimon and another character are partners, do not claim that they are partners.
 * 4) The infobox is an infobox, not a plot summary, and it is totally irrelevant to partnership to know who performed the digifuse. That's what the character's plot synopsis is for.
 * 5) Start using the dub terms. There is no reason you should be adding "DigiXros" or "Twilight" at this point in time.

Final warning: you have so badly abused this site's policy of forgiveness with your disregard for site policies and other editors' attempts to communicate that I am no longer willing to discuss unblocks with you. If you get yourself blocked again, you need to wait for one of the other admins to decide to unblock you, because I will no longer be doing those for you. Start paying attention to site policy, and stop assuming you can do whatever you want to the site without consulting the other editors. 18:00, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

"Where did you put it"
This is a prime example of why you should actually pay attention to other editors and what they say to you.

Take a look at what I posted:.

The link to where your draft is, is the very first thing I posted.

STOP EDIT WARRING. READ WHAT OTHER EDITORS SAY. THIS NONSENSE ENDS NOW. 02:59, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

General response
Your in-progress edit is located at User talk:Jdogno7/Laylamon where Kryten put it. Putting a giant in-progress edit onto another person's talk page is obnoxious. Put it in your own Sandbox and edit it there. As an aside, the entire thing is asinine: character pages, while in depth, are not meant to be a play-by-play or blow-by-blow. The main focus should be on what the character does, and quotes should only be used if they're illustrative and absolutely needed: we're not a script repository.

Spamming another person's talk page with edits is obnoxious. Two or three in a row, fine, but don't do like ten within a small frame. Putting your words in the middle of a talk page is obnoxious. New topics should be placed at the end of the talk page where they can easily be found. Your questions are obnoxious, better suited to a forum as opposed to talk pages. They're pure speculation and far outside of our scope as a wiki. Take it all to WithTheWill or some other forum.

That policy that Kryten's promising above? I've already applied it to you. I don't deal with you. I'll revert your edits when they go wrong and leave them alone when they're right. Lanate (talk) 03:07, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Admin Aproval
Well I've been asking and waiting for Admin approval from three Admins for an edit!

What more should I do?

Jdogno7 (talk) 01:50, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait, or make smaller edits that don't have a huge amount of problems to them. I mean, you're still using the name "Lilithmon" for crying out loud.
 * On a side note, the admins have conferred and due to your constant edit warring...you've actually worn out our willingness to accept simple apologies just to be unbanned. From now on, to be unbanned you're going to need to agree to make 100 uploads for the card project, with no other types of edits other than responding on talk pages or editing your userpage. Needless to say, if you agree to this probation and then violate it by edit warring again before you've completed the uploads, then you're done permanently, no forgiveness.
 * So, what do you say? 02:56, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I have waited: patiently.

Well how can I fix the problems if I don't know what they are?

Jdogno7 (talk) 04:15, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem is less the lack of fixing, but more about you insisting on inserting bad versions of the page.
 * However, due to you having so much trouble understanding even the simplest of explanations, there's an important question I want to ask you, and I mean it in the best ways: do you have any mental condition that would reduce your ability of comprehension? 12:13, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

No, I am not mentally retarded. The quality of the edits I do, could not be done by a retard.

Jdogno7 (talk) 22:22, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'll help with the card project. I won't make any other edits other than on talk pages or my userpage.

Jdogno7 (talk) 22:33, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think G was just asking if you were dyslexic. I apologize if his question offended you.
 * We'll get you set up with the probation tasks tomorrow. 23:59, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Jdogno7 (talk) 00:40, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I understand if you don't believe me when I say this: I never intended to be a bother to anyone here. For that I am truly sorry (For any distress I have accidentally + unintentionally caused anyone). I will do my best to prevent such repeat occurrences as much as possible in future.

Jdogno7 (talk) 00:47, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

So what do I do in relation to the probation tasks?

Jdogno7 (talk) 23:23, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I apologize if trying to be sensible backfired. Though I wasn't thinking of dyslexia, nor any other specific condition, I was being literal when I asked "any", as I thought it could even be something I don't know exists. 00:56, November 12, 2013 (UTC)/22:56, November 11, 2013 (Brasília, summertime)

Fair enough.

Now on to business: So what do I do now in relation to the probation tasks?

Jdogno7 (talk) 01:08, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Now what? How can i do my probation tasks if I don't know what I'm supposed to do?

Jdogno7 (talk) 07:30, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

What I am supposed to do now in relation to the probation tasks I have been assigned with?

Jdogno7 (talk) 03:21, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * As soon as one of us gets time, we'll finish setting up instructions for you. Calm down. 06:51, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry.

Jdogno7 (talk) 22:19, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, so here's what you do.
 * Go to Talk:Digimon Collectors/Full, or here, and upload 100 of those images to the wiki. If you take it from the webpage, the number of the card will be the number between digimon/ and /l.jpg. You need to upload the images as "JapaneseDigimonName CardNumber (DCo).jpg" (ex. File:Sistermon Blanc 5063 (DCo).jpg). Make sure you are using the Japanese name currently listed in List of Digimon or our articles. For the image description, type EnglishDigimonName ; leave the JapaneseDigimonName out if it matches the EnglishDigimonName (as with Agumon, or Sistermon Blanc). 100 of these done correctly, no other mainspace edits. Understand? 17:53, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Where do I find the card numbers for the images?Jdogno7
 * "If you take it from the webpage, the number of the card will be the number between digimon/ and /l.jpg." You'll have to look at the url of each image. 17:53, November 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, you've been doing the licensing all wrong.


 * 1) You either download the zip file from mediafire, or download each image from the page individually. Each image has a url that you can access by right-clicking, then selecting "Properties" or "Copy image url", of the form http://res.dmog.bandainamco-ol.jp/130624AM/gra_s/digimon/2274/l.jpg . In this example, the "2274" between "...digimon/" and "/l.jpg" is the card number. (Looks like you already got this under control.)
 * 2) For the card license, you only type EnglishDigimonName . If the Digimon's Japanese and English names are different, you'll have to go back in and modify the "card" template so that there is "|JapaneseDigimonName" after the number.
 * 3) If you mess up the license on an image, you have to go to that image's article and choose "edit". Reuploading the image will only affect the image, not the text. 17:53, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just a question: you're taking the images straight from the page I linked you, right, not from wikimon or some other site? 18:34, November 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) For the card license, you only type EnglishDigimonName . If the Digimon's Japanese and English names are different, you'll have to go back in and modify the "card" template so that there is "|JapaneseDigimonName" after the number.
 * If I have to go back and relicense every one of these, then they're not going to count, bud. Please listen to the guidelines I'm giving you; the image description you enter should look like this. 17:53, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Few more things: Please just edit the current conversation if you're adding to it, don't add an entirely new section; and I don't need an update every time you upload stuff. We'll tell you when you've done 100 satisfactorily. 18:08, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

I will do the licensing myself.

Jdogno7 (talk) 21:16, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, all the ones that I had gone back and edited? You're messing them up again. Please read what I've been posting on this talk section, because the whole "ignores other editor's corrections" thing you're doing right now is exactly what keeps getting you banned. 16:55, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also (and you NEED to answer this question): Do you understand how to view, edit, and copy the text of previous revisions of a page without simply reverting other editor's edits? 18:27, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also also, please take the images from the zip file I linked, not from wikimon. We don't need the info about EX cards and such, we need the images directly from the urls I loaded. 18:31, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I said I would do the licensing myself, you didn't need to do anything for that.

Yes, I know how to view, edit, as well as copy the text of previous revisions of a page. However, I felt it was unfair that you went and did the licensing for those images, when I said I would: this is my assigned duty after all.

The images were copied from the Talk:Digimon Collectors/Full page and not from wikimon. Okay.

Jdogno7 (talk) 21:39, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, then a few things:


 * 1) Explain why you undid each of my edits one at a time just to "figure out" what I had done, when I had in fact been cleaning up the improper licensing that you had done; furthermore, explain why you undid my corrections at all.
 * 2) Understand that nobody gives a fuck whether you said you would do the licensing yourself. You did it wrong for each of the ones I fixed, you continued to do it wrong for the ones you uploaded yesterday, and you even had the gall to undo the fixes that I had made.
 * 3) Understand that you have been repeatedly banned for refusing to heed other editor's corrections, to the point that you are on a special, unique probation only because this wiki is committed to forgiveness, and, more importantly, that  continuing your problematic behavior of ignoring/undoing team corrections to your edits will not result in you being unbanned .

Most importantly: although I'd like you to be able to do the licensing correctly on your own, the entire point of the probation is for you to demonstrate that you can be productive on this wiki without devolving into constant edit warring and disruptive behavior. So far, you have only continued to be disruptive, so none of the images you've uploaded actually count toward your probation.

If you want to be taken off of probation, you need to: 22:31, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Read the instructions I've given you on how to upload the images, and follow them correctly to the best of your ability.
 * 2) If you don't understand the instructions, tell me, and I'll even whip up a visual guide for you.
 * 3) Not be disruptive when another editor takes the time to clean up after any mistakes you make.

I undid it on the MegaKabuterimon (Blue) card because what you had done was a mess!

How was what I did wrong in terms of the licensing? I followed the instructions you gave me!

I am trying my best to be productive! How can I be productive, when every time I ask what needs to be done to correct something, you and others simply refuse to answer me out of plain impatience?!

So, if none of the images count, should I remove them, since no one wants them?!

I DID READ THE INSTRUCTIONS YOU GAVE ME!

I don't mind if another editor corrects something I have done that is wrong, I merely wish to understand how it was wrong.

Jdogno7 (talk) 23:22, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * ...no.


 * 1) What I had done on AtlurKabuterimon (Blue) was how you're supposed to credit the cards. And far from simply undoing my changes in one edit, you undid them one at a time, constantly saying "what happened here", and then finished with a change to the page that was almost exactly as wrong as before my edits.
 * 2) I've literally given you a screenshot depicting exactly what you're supposed to type in when uploading images. I've repeatedly posted, several times, what you're supposed to type, and reminded you that nothing else should be typed. Each time you make a mistake or ask me what you're doing wrong, I explain it again. QUIT THE FUCKING "No one's helping me" LIE, AND TAKE SOME TIME TO READ WHAT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO YOU. You have, so far, not only mis-licensed each image you've uploaded, but in several places undone the corrections to the licensing that I and Lanate have made. Back at the top of this, I even gave you an example, File:Sistermon Blanc 5063 (DCo).jpg, of what the licensing should look like when you're done: if your licensing doesn't look like that, it is wrong, and you need to either fix it yourself as soon as humanly possible, or be grateful when another editor takes time out of their life to clean up after you. The wiki's goal is to get the encyclopedia complete, not to give grades on any one editor for their contributions, or tell them how wonderful they are, and we're all much more grateful for anything you can do to help us get done faster, instead of you proving that you can do it "all on your own, given enough time". The wiki's not about you, okay?
 * Oh, hell no. The images are still being used by the wiki, they just don't count towards your "upload 100 images" because you have wholly failed to demonstrate that you're able to work with other editors without edit warring. If you wish to be taken off of probation, you've still got 100 to do, and you need to do them without edit warring.
 * 1) Finally, please go to your preferences and fix your signature, it's getting really frustrating that you constantly take additional edits to fix your signature every single time. 00:33, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Look at this. Do you see the difference?

All that should be in the image description should be ENGLISHNAME. Nothing else. Don't type "Digimon Collectors Monzaemon EX card", no headers, none of it. Just that subst.

But other than that, yes, you are doing better. 14:21, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * "I don't see what's wrong with providing a summary for the image. "

... ... ...


 * 1) Because you are on PROBATION due to your inability to work with others.
 * 2) Because you were told exactly what you were supposed to type, several times now.
 * 3) Because the template you were told to type already provides a summary that meets our standards.

Stop doing this, now, or you're back to a count of 0. I've already fixed the images you uploaded. 00:07, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * There should be no headers. The only thing you should type is the substitution of the CardDCo template. 04:21, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * There was a total of 25 too many characters in the license for this card: please identify them. 05:43, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, you were previously asked to (1) stop spamming other user's talk pages with repeated edits (as you're doing to my talk page by asking me about the images after every four), and to (2) stop creating new headers for the same topic. If you have a question, ask it once and wait for an answer. Don't ask it ten times. 14:22, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, a few things:


 * 1) There's more to do than uploading the images. That was just the first step.
 * 2) Please stop asking me about status every time you upload an image.
 * 3) It's not about "redeeming yourself", it's about getting the wiki completed. You were put on probation instead of being blocked because you abused the system to the point of us not gettting any work done, between cleaning up after you and responding to you. The whole point is to get to the point that we don't have to babysit you, so like #2 above, just be patient and non-disruptive instead of demanding attention so often. 14:30, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * "1.There's more to do than uploading the images. That was just the first step. "
 * "1.There's more to do than uploading the images. That was just the first step. "
 * "1.There's more to do than uploading the images. That was just the first step. "
 * "1.There's more to do than uploading the images. That was just the first step. "
 * "1.There's more to do than uploading the images. That was just the first step. "
 * "1.There's more to do than uploading the images. That was just the first step. " 22:33, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Um, what are you trying to say?

Jdogno7
 * Not only are you absolutely not off probation yet, but you shouldn't just assume you are, ever, without being told. I'm giving you one warning on this because we hadn't told you what the next part of the probation was earlier, but if you make a single additional edit you're gone for good. 22:48, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

So what do I do now?

Jdogno7
 * 1) I review the images you've uploaded to check whether they're correct.
 * 2) Once that's done, I'll tell you what the next step is.
 * 3) You wait. Practice patience. 22:55, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

I have waited at least 5 if not 6 days. To say, nearly a week (7 days). Is it too much to ask about what is going on with the images I uploaded?

Jdogno7 (talk) 06:57, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. I need time to check through all the images you've uploaded. 16:00, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

How many have you checked so far then?

Jdogno7 (talk) 21:21, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, so I am nearly done reviewing them, and the first thing I noticed is that you clearly didn't take the images (or at least, all of them)from the approved source, Talk:Digimon Collectors/Full, like you claimed you did. Please reupload all of the images that I've not already fixed, and do them correctly, okay? 22:37, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I did take them all from the approved source! Which ones are incorrect?

Jdogno7 (talk) 23:06, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, looking into it some more: you either took them from another webpage, or uploaded them to the wrong names, as the cards in question have duplicates at a different card number. With that in mind, I just need to check the rest of the card numbers, and then I'll notify you of the next step. 01:53, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you.

P.S. how long would that be if possible?

Jdogno7
 * It is literally impossible for me to know. I'll do it as soon as I can. 13:14, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, please go to your preferences and change your signature to:
 * Jdogno7 (talk)
 * Okay, I've finished checking/correcting the names and images for your uploads. The next step is to add each of them to Card:Digimon Collectors, then remove them from Talk:Digimon Collectors/Full. Please do this in a single edit, not multiple. If you are unable to do it in one sitting, save a copy of your edit to a notepad document and copy it over for the next chance you get. Please notify me when you want me to check if you've finished. 02:25, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

I have added all of them to Card:Digimon Collectors. I am about to remove them from Talk:Digimon Collectors/Full.

Jdogno7 (talk) 04:37, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think I have removed all the ones I did from Talk:Digimon Collectors/Full. However I am not certain. Could you check if everything is okay?

Jdogno7 (talk) 06:05, December 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * You removed eight links for cards you did not actually upload, misnamed one file, and left thirty seven links on the page that should have been removed. You also performed your removals in fourteen separate edits, despite me explicitly asking you to do it in one. I have not fixed the mistaken links for you and will not identify them for you; you need to identify them yourself and correct it in one edit. If you get it wrong again, then you'll get another batch of cards to upload before coming back off probation. 21:35, December 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * For the misnamed card, I will tell you that you uploaded two separate cards with the same number. If you sort through your file contributions for two images with the same number, you should find it easily, as there are only 215 Collectors images on the wiki anyway. 21:41, December 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, you can look through Category:Digimon Collectors card scans for the one that doesn't say that it's linked anywhere. 21:42, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

I tried but I couldn't do it. I don't know what to do from the last thing I did, so what happens now to me?

Jdogno7 (talk) 23:18, December 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Go through Category:Digimon Collectors card scans, and make sure all images there are on the Card:Digimon Collectors page. Then, compare the revisions that have been made to Talk:Digimon Collectors/Full since you started editing it, and make sure that anything that was deleted has been uploaded to the wiki. There are forty six instances you need to fix.
 * I'm not going to do this for you: one of the big things you need to learn is how to actually review your edits and make sure they're done correctly, rather than spamming the wiki with a ton of edits that end up leaving a mess. At most, I'll tell you which image you misnamed if you add ten additional card scans to the quota. 02:17, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

I found 8 cases of two files named the same thing? How can I tell which one is mine, that is if more than one was added by me?

Jdogno7 (talk) 06:49, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean, as there are only two cards with the same number. You may be confusing it with the " 1" designation, which marks the cards that were revised when Collectors restyled most of its cards. I'm talking about the card number itself, the "121" in "AtlurKabuterimon (Red) 121 (DCo).jpg" (and no, that's not the misnamed card). Advice: either go through the category looking for the files that aren't transcluded on the main Collectors article, or copy the list of file names to a spreadsheet and sort them by card number. Alternatively, you can upload ten additional cards and I'll tell you which one needs to be fixed. 16:49, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

10 more uploaded.

Jdogno7 (talk) 01:33, December 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * It was File:Tyranomon 66 (DCo).jpg. It should be File:Tyranomon 62 (DCo).jpg. 05:14, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed Tyrannomon's card for Digimon Collectors.

Which 8 cards that I did not upload did I remove the links for? Which 37 links should have been removed on the page?

Jdogno7 (talk) 08:08, December 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, those will be easy enough to check if you just check. Go to the category, compile a list of card numbers there, and check that against your changes to the /Full and Card: pages. 15:06, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

I did and I only found three anomalies which I have corrected.

So as of now, which 5 cards that I did not upload did I remove the links for? Which 37 links should have been removed on the page?

Jdogno7 (talk) 01:01, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * No no no, fix all the anomalies. Not just for the cards you uploaded. 04:18, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

How? I don't know how to fix what I'm supposed to repair!

Jdogno7 (talk) 05:16, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Signature
You realize you can edit your signature on Special:Preferences, right? Lanate (talk) 06:20, December 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * You remembered to save your preferences after you edited it, right? There is no reason you should be repeatedly having to edit your signature. Lanate (talk) 23:34, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

How to do this

 * 1) Ensure that every line item removed in this diff appears in this category.
 * 2) Ensure that every card scan in this category has had their line item removed from this page.
 * 3) Change your preferences as shown here. 04:27, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Done it now. I think that's everything fixed. Right?

Jdogno7 (talk) 06:07, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * According to my count, there are three more that you removed without uploading.
 * And you can determine which ones still need to be removed by completing #2 above. 07:43, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

I checked but I couldn't find them.

What do I do?

Jdogno7 (talk) 08:45, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * You make a list, in card number order, of every card that appears in that category. Then you check it against the lineitems you removed, and make sure that every card number that appears in your list has been removed from the archive. This can be done fairly easily in Microsoft Excel, and should take an hour at most. If you just copy the image titles, there's even tutorials on the internet about functions that will extract the number data from them.
 * If you are completely unable to do that, however, I'll list one lineitem for each five cards you upload. That's going to take a lot more time, however, so I recommend the first option. 19:26, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * You got two more of the ones that you had failed to upload, so you have two left of those. You've also uploaded seven images, so once you clean their lineitems from the archive, I'll give you the first lineitem you missed. 02:53, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

I've uploaded 10 or 12 cards towards the total 15 but something has happened to the page and I don't know why everything's vanished.

Jdogno7 (talk) 04:19, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Is everything in order now?

Jdogno7 (talk) 04:49, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Since yesterday, you've uploaded another two cards with the same card number, although you removed their lineitems correctly. Please fix. 17:29, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed

Jdogno7 (talk) 20:52, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * You've completed ten new images, so here's the first two out of six lineitems you forgot to delete:


 * http://res.dmog.bandainamco-ol.jp/130624AM/gra_s/digimon/463/l.jpg
 * http://res.dmog.bandainamco-ol.jp/130624AM/gra_s/digimon/877/l.jpg
 * So, delete those, and then there are four more to fix. I've already deleted the lineitems that were left by other users. 23:18, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Deleted those two. Which are the other four?

Jdogno7 (talk) 00:44, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * You have to completely add five images for each lineitem. It really would be easier to simply compare the blank spots on Card:Digimon Collectors to the lineitems on Talk:Digimon Collectors/Full, as I've suggested previously. Anything appearing in the lineitems should be a blank spot on the Card page.
 * Just to make it clear: you're asking me to do all the checking on your edits, when the whole point of this was to give you something simple with straightforward instructions, and have you make sure it was done correctly on your own. I've even already told you several times what to do to buy your way out of that requirement. Stop pushing it looking for an easy way out, and just follow the rules you were already given. 02:47, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

I've uploaded another five card scans. Will that get me any more info on the four whose line items I haven't yet removed?

Jdogno7 (talk) 09:50, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * http://res.dmog.bandainamco-ol.jp/130624AM/gra_s/digimon/5010/l.jpg
 * Note that I am giving these to you in numerical order, so it should be really easy to check the last three for yourself if you just take a look at the two pages. 21:07, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

I think I have removed them all now. So is my probation over yet, or not? Sorry about that last edit on the Xros Wars Digital World page. I was merely trying to prove that I could listen to other editors comments.

Jdogno7 (talk) 21:59, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Once we get your signature fixed in your preferences, then yeah, it'll be over. Please respond with screenshots of how you're doing your signature, as requested. 00:12, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

Digimon collectors
Where'd you find these?

Kyurem147 (talk) 20:19, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean?

Jdogno7

I mean how'd you get these? Where they from? Kyurem147 (talk) 21:15, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * As I've already explained on your talk page, they're from Talk:Digimon Collectors/Full. 21:20, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

So, hey
What the hell, dood? 23:18, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Still waiting for an answer. 02:47, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Well I did fix it.

Jdogno7 (talk) 11:06, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, you violated your probation. Don't test me. 19:01, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Signature
Have you corrected your signature as shown in the google doc I linked you? If so, you shouldn't be correcting your signature -- you just type ~ after your post to sign it, no additional text. 23:18, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, since you're still fixing this, take screenshots of exactly what you're doing to your preferences and when you sign something and send it back to me on google docs. 02:47, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Jdogno7 (talk) 01:24, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, we can't, and you've just violated your probation again after very explicit warnings not to.
 * You're going to need to do another hundred card scans. When this batch is done: wait for an admin to tell you you're off probation before editing anything but talk pages. 01:33, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

That is not fair! I have tried to alter the signature but it just doesn't work. What is the problem anyway with my signature as it is?

Jdogno7 (talk) 01:36, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's plenty fair, considering I've already given you umpteen second chances when you hadn't finished with the images. You have been banned multiple times for refusing to work with other editors; even right now, you've made several edits despite being told point blank that your probation is not over.
 * As far as the signature goes: I didn't ask you to "try", I asked you to give me screenshots showing me what you're doing, so we can fix it. It needs to be fixed because your constant re-edits to fix it are bothering other users, and there's no reason that should be happening.
 * This is the last time I'll say this: you are still on probation, you need to upload another 100 card scans, and if you make another mainspace edit, you're banned permanently, no more anullments. 02:27, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

I'll explain: first I type my signature in a hyperlink: Jdogno7.

Then I use the signature with timestamp button: --Jdogno7 (talk) 02:55, December 12, 2013 (UTC)Jdogno7

Then I save it:--Jdogno7 (talk) 02:55, December 12, 2013 (UTC)Jdogno7

Then i remove the excess:Jdogno7 (talk) 02:55, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * So the answer was don't do that first step. Just use the signature with timestamp, or type four "~".
 * And you've been banned permanently for continuing to edit while on probation. 03:16, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

That is completely unfair! Why did the probation have to continue while the signature issue was being dealt with? That is totally outrageous!!

Jdogno7 (talk) 03:44, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * More to the point, why did you continue to edit war on mainspace articles, despite several times being told your probation was not over? Why have you continuously edit warred or violated site policies every single time we extend forgiveness to you? Why did you consistently ignore my warnings that you needed to resolve the signature issue, or were not done uploading cards? 04:01, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

There were times when I didn't know whether the probation was still going. That is why I edited on mainspace articles at all. At times I didn't know what I was doing was considered a violation of site policy and often when I asked what the problem was, nobody would give me an answer. I didn't realise that the signature thing was such a big issue. I do now. At times, I didn't know that I wasn't done with the uploading of the cards when I actually was (not done with the uploading that is) not.

Jdogno7 (talk) 04:13, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Then my advice to you for when you edit on a different wiki, is when an admin says "don't edit mainspace articles until you are told that your block/probation/etc. is over", don't edit those pages until you're told that you're done.
 * I told you multiple times that you were still under probation and that the probation would not end until I explicitly told you it was over. Beyond that, you fucking edit warred with me! What the fuck? As soon as you thought you were done with your probation, your very first edits are to commit exactly the offense that got you in this hole in the first place?! I let you get away with like five infractions, just today, before giving you an additional 100 card scans for probation, and then I gave you another five chances before giving up!
 * Bloody hell, man, it's like you think you didn't need to listen to anything I said because you thought I would just keep giving you another chance. Well, I'm sorry, man, but no. Most of your edits are reverted because they make pages worse, forget anything about them being edit warring or probation violations, or you deciding to sockpuppet again, and I've wasted way too much time in the last few months trying to take you by the hand to work through the least controversial task we could give you. You have given us no reason to either desire your contributions or trust your behavior, so we're done.
 * Best of luck to you on other wikis, and if you really want to edit a Digimon Wiki, I can point you to other projects or give you contact information so that Wikia Central can make you your own playground. But you've burned every bridge in this community, and are no longer welcome. Good day. 06:34, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

When did you tell me "Multiple" times that I was still under probation and that the probation would not end until you "explicitly" told me it was over. I wasn't edit waring with you. You were reverting my edits purely because I had mistakenly thought that things were in the clear. I still think it was unfair to continue the probation once all the issues with the card scan uploads were fixed. The signature thing could have been dealt with, without continuing probation. That was unfair to demand me to do 100 more card scans considering that I have done as much as 180 already so far. What five chances are you talking about? What five infractions were committed? "Bloody hell, man, it's like you think you didn't need to listen to anything I said because you thought I would just keep giving you another chance.": I never thought anything of the sort. "Most of your edits are reverted because they make pages worse": I keep hearing that but what I don't hear is how this is so! I have never sockpuppeted! "You have given us no reason to either desire your contributions or trust your behavior, so we're done.": How have I given "no" reason for others to "desire" my contributions? "Trust my behavior": you (KrytenKoro) haven't given me a fair chance to understand what it is that I have done wrong before condemning me on multiple occasions.

Jdogno7 (talk) 07:12, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mkay.
 * "When did you tell me "Multiple" times that I was still under probation and that the probation would not end until you "explicitly" told me it was over."
 * "Not only are you absolutely not off probation yet, but you shouldn't just assume you are, ever, without being told. I'm giving you one warning on this because we hadn't told you what the next part of the probation was earlier, but if you make a single additional edit you're gone for good."
 * "Once we get your signature fixed in your preferences, then yeah, it'll be over."
 * "No, you violated your probation. Don't test me."
 * "No, we can't, and you've just violated your probation again after very explicit warnings not to. You're going to need to do another hundred card scans. When this batch is done: wait for an admin to tell you you're off probation before editing anything but talk pages."
 * "This is the last time I'll say this: you are still on probation, you need to upload another 100 card scans, and if you make another mainspace edit, you're banned permanently, no more anullments."
 * "I wasn't edit waring with you. You were reverting my edits purely because I had mistakenly thought that things were in the clear."
 * And then you remade the edits, despite (1) that being the definition of edit warring, and (2) being told multiple times that you were still on probation, and were not to make one single more mainspace edit.
 * "The signature thing could have been dealt with, without continuing probation."
 * The signature issue was stated as part of your probation way back on the 19th:
 * "4.Finally, please go to your preferences and fix your signature, it's getting really frustrating that you constantly take additional edits to fix your signature every single time"
 * And you continuously failed to respond to these requests. So, no, it couldn't have waited, because you weren't listening to us about it. Instead of deciding "oh, the signature doesn't need to be fixed, my probation is over", you should have done what I asked and provided screenshtos, and you would be happily editing right now. I gave you two additional warnings after you violated probation, telling you explicitly that you needed to fix this, and you did it again!
 * "That was unfair to demand me to do 100 more card scans considering that I have done as much as 180 already so far."
 * You violated probation three times that I just warned you about, despite me saying initially that this would be an auto-ban offense. Bud, it is ludicrous to claim that I was anything other than extremely lenient.
 * "What five infractions were committed?"
 * I was inaccurate in my count. Instead of ten, you committed sixteen infractions on the 12th. The total list of infractions since you were put on probation:


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 * "I have never sockpuppeted!"
 * User:KillerBird7 is a sockpuppet account that you have used multiple times, and even admitted on occasion.
 * ""Most of your edits are reverted because they make pages worse": I keep hearing that but what I don't hear is how this is so!"
 * Example.
 * "you (KrytenKoro) haven't given me a fair chance to understand what it is that I have done wrong before condemning me on multiple occasions."
 * Per part one of my response, this is a self-evident falsehood. You have violated the rules an incredible amount of times despite being told it was your "last chance", and we let it slide because we were trying to help. I am truly sorry that we were unable to teach you how to respect wiki policies and other editors, and I encourage you to try editing on other wikis once you have taught yourself to be more disciplined. But, unfortunately, we can no longer let your infractions slide, and you have been permanently banned. 21:00, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

"User:KillerBird7 is a sockpuppet account that you have used multiple times, and even admitted on occasion.": I have never admitted to that because WE ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE."

Jdogno7 (talk) 21:57, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not only are you not good at hiding your identity when posting as KillerBird, but in response to me unblocking Jdogno7 and blocking KillerBird, you claimed that I was unblocking and then reblocking you. Yes, you've directly admitted that you are KillerBird.
 * Bud: no one is fooled by your act, and it's already too late because your ban won't be repealed. Stop trying to be dishonest, and simply get on with your life. 01:57, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

I meant me (me=JDOGNO7) not him (him=KILLERBIRD).

Jdogno7 (talk) 02:19, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I know, bud. But I didn't reblock you, I blocked him. And then you said that I blocked you. And within a half hour of my blocking you permanently on the 12th, KillerBird requested that he be unbanned, after making no edits for over a month. 02:27, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Potential Compromise
Look, I can learn from from my mistakes. Once I've understood how what I did was wrong, I've not repeated it the same way. To say, I've never made the exact same mistake twice after understanding what was wrong.

I was thinking, what if we agreed to a ban for a whole year starting from December 20th 2013 to December 20th 2014 and then I could show that I can do better than I have done previously?

I understand if none of you want to try this but I thought it could be a potentially good compromise.

Jdogno7 (talk) 07:11, January 29, 2014 (UTC)