Category talk:Free Digimon

Has this actually been localized before Neutral? 15:36, August 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * In the cards maybe? I'm not able to answer other than ASR/NO - Nuetral, CS/HM - Free. If they're the only ones, they're tied for now but I don't doubt the next Story game will also use "Free". If 2009, when this was made - the category, is true for Free showing up, this is after World Championship which I would assume means ASR was the first time the English used it. I do think ASR counts "Nuetral" as free, it has dudes such as Vikemon, Armor Digimon etc and is the fourth attribute after Data, Virus and Vaccine but there's technically no Japanese to compare it against but I would still count it due to Next Order's "Neutral". So it does appear that ASR is the first time, since this category was added after Championship came out, which means the first time to use it was ASR.Marcusbwfc (talk) 18:01, August 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * To summarize what I posted elsewhere:


 * DBCG has "Unidentified", maps to JP's "Unknown"
 * DB has "None", maps to JP's "Unknown"
 * DM has "No" and "Unknown". "No" maps to Variable and the JP "None" for Baby Digimon. "Unknown" maps to JP "Unknown" and the "N/A" for Xros Digimon.
 * ASR, per what you said above, uses "Neutral" for JP "N/A" for Xros Digimon. You said it has Vikemon, Armor Digimon, etc., but those aren't listed on the main article for the game so I'm pretty confused.
 * In all other games with DRB "Free" Digimon which include the attribute system, they were instead given one of Virus, Vaccine, Data.

Given that, Cyber Sleuth's use of "Free" would be the first localization for "Free", with the only outlier being NO using "Neutral" (which we would need to specify, to distinguish from ASR Neutral). 18:16, August 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Neutral Digimon equip Neutral cards (Wormmon, Veemon, Shoutmon, Doulumon), and here's a Armor Digimon (Subamrimon) that is a Neutral card. https://i.imgur.com/WNB7IsP.jpg All four of those are able to use the Subamrimon card, as well as a Xros Digimon like Shoutmon DX https://i.imgur.com/UBlDD3Z.jpg Marcusbwfc (talk) 18:32, August 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like I put Vikemon as an example without him being there though, so my bad. It still has armor and 02 Digimon etc though, like Shakkoumon https://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/DigiCards_(All-Star_Rumble) Marcusbwfc (talk) 18:32, August 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Ooooooooh, forgot ASR had cards. Okay. So, ASR Neutral covers:


 * Free (02 partners and armors)
 * Unidentified (Diablomon, Apocalymon)
 * Variable (Hybrids)
 * N/A (Xros)
 * Cyber Sleuth "Free" covers:


 * None (Babies)
 * Free (02 partners and armors)
 * Unidentified (Diablomon and Guardromon Gold)
 * Variable (Hybrids)
 * N/A (Xros)
 * I can't find anything listing the attributes for NO Digimon. Next Order "Neutral" covers:


 * None (Babies)
 * Free (02 partners)
 * And its Unknown covers:


 * Unidentified (Diablomon and Guardromon Gold)
 * Variable (Hybrids)
 * Heroes!/Crusader doesn't appear to list attributes.
 * On a side note, have we been collecting stats from Collectors?
 * Anyway, depending on what NO does, my point of view is that ASR, CS, and if so, NO are adding "Free" to these Digimon's attributes (like how the D-3 added Free to many of these in the first place), with Neutral as the original localization and what the category should be called, specifying that in the CS series, it retains its original JP name. 13:06, August 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * Next Order uses it for babies https://imgur.com/a/KMjO58T and 02 mons https://i.imgur.com/9NRw9o4.jpg Unidentified is listed as "Unknown" https://i.imgur.com/DsFDeWJ.jpg Guardromon Gold actually started on NO with Unknown, which the two CS games put under Free. Agunimon was also Unknown for Next Order. As for Collectors, I have no clue but it seems unlikely. It's a mobile game isn't it? I treat it the same as Links, in that I'm not interested in that stuff. Speaking of Links though, they don't have Attributes, just types.Marcusbwfc (talk) 15:59, August 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess last step is to verify what CS, NO, and HM list as the stats in the JP games. If NO uses "furii", then we can extend its localization of Neutral to include anything in ASR. 16:10, August 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * Here's a baby in Next Order https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--qRJHQRD0--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/fm4m563fnmn9fbinb2oa.jpg IDK if this is Free? I don't think it is. Here's Veemon https://i.imgur.com/QHRDh09.jpg here's armageddemon https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--_d2hdUos--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/gorpwa7ch6euct1gixh8.jpg (for unidentified) Marcusbwfc (talk) 16:36, August 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * The Baby and V-mon images say "No Attribute" (無属性). Armagemon says Unidentified (不明). Which...sucks. Because it means NO's "Neutral" is equivalent to "Digimon with no attribute", which means that CS is the only material actually localizing "furii" (at least, as far as we know, I guess we have to confirm that too). 18:41, August 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * http://ha-navi.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2017122007361849-1024x576.jpg a baby from Cyber Sleuth. if next order is "none", then do we treat "none" as "neutral"? and I suppose if that's the case, we should remove Free from the Next Order babies like YukimiBotamon and a few other Digimon like Gumdramon. You can see why I thought it was just a differently translated "Free", considering it's the "not vaccine/data/virus" in a PS4 video game like CS and HM. What do we treat ASR as then? Digimon with no attribute? more Free to remove from dudes like the Shoutmons then (but funnily enough it means Lumaniamon is "none", rather than "Free", if that's the case) here's a mega from HM https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSy01zaU0AAQZuZ.jpg Marcusbwfc (talk) 18:57, August 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would imply that ASR is "None". I'm not sure if NA has seen Digimon with "None" before, so this is probably the first localization for that.
 * Okay, so CS gives the Hybrids and Babies "Free". Good.
 * Yes, we need to replace "Free" with "None" for any Digimon whose "Free" is based on NO. This is one reason why we need to make sure we don't assume translation matches. 19:11, August 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll get to that soon. Speaking of Hybrid, I'm not sure on if we should be MagnaGarurumon (SV) as a Hybrid level based on the anime or not, or just leave him as a Mega. CS also gives Free to Diabaoromon etc. So ASR = None. if that's the case, then Veemon, Submarimon etc = None too from ASR. The dub sure is confusing.Marcusbwfc (talk) 19:15, August 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * Collectors uses "その他" for the class of None/Free/Variable/Unknown and is slightly more contemporaneous with All-Star Rumble. Lanate (talk) 02:31, August 15, 2018 (UTC)