Forum:MoS - Everyone Read

Kryten? What needs to be done on the Manual of Style? Aster/Digi/Rad/Kamiya, Ned/THB if you're still floating around somewhere, as well as anyone else who wants input, we need to sit down and at least get something done on it. It'll be much easier to tell the people who want to stay about how things are done around here with it. I know that wikis don't have a lot of pull in the fandom; hell, I'm part of two unpopular places (WtW blasts us, and the Tales community doesn't like the Aselia wiki), but I'd like to be able to get the things we do have straight.

For now, we need an MoS on images, definitely beyond the not-watermarked things we have. I don't want more DMA recolors to end up here, and a policy shortcut will help stop people who want to stay. I want to do an image purge later of duplicate images and such edits and recolors; I'll take care of that myself alongside my species article project. I know I haven't been pulling my weight as an admin around here, so I want to jump start things.

Anybody have more suggestions? Current MoS Draft can be found here: User:KrytenKoro/Draft, with the associated comments (probably outdated) Kryten and I made before coming up with it on the talk page. Lanate (talk) 03:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Does WtW really hate us? Huh. I mean, I get DMA not liking us after how much I tell people they're unreliable (because they are), but I don't understand why WtW would hold a grudge.
 * Man, I miss you guys. The DigimonWiki used to be the rope that bound us together. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:46, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's what we need to finish on the MoS draft, and my personal ideas for what the policy should be:


 * A "game info" draft section, so people know what to fit it to. This should probably be an addendum, though.
 * Upload policy: No passing off fanart as official art - either use it in a fanspace article, or it's deleted. No full episode uploads, no amv's. All uploads should be usable on main articles, or should be hosted on photobucket/imageshack and externally linked. In addition, subjects do not need more than one image unless the second image is instructive beyond just the appearance of the subject. Like for the D-Reaper, the various charts that depict it's spread and hibernation area. Also "Toei images for anime articles, V-Jump images for manga articles, Bandai images for everything else".
 * Upload categorization explanation - possibly an addendum, as this is not a huge deal. Also, copyrighted images (most of them) should have a copyright summary like File:Pafumon b.jpg. Summary of that.
 * Fanspace policies - absolutely no mainspace categories, what infobox to use (the Fan Digimon one), exhortation to have a rudimentary page before creating.
 * Copyright and basic duplication policy - no watermarked images, don't use other people's fanart unless they've given permission. Don't copy article text from another site (digipedia's been ripped too often), though translating or paraphrasing is fine.
 * Trivia info policies: most articles are made to cover the subject's story. However, info on design and external appearances is good for the trivia section, and if it gets big enough, a full "Conception and Reception" section. However, no stupid minutiae like "Mimi is the first female character to appear that wears pink." and ridiculous over-specifics like that. However, stuff like "Marcus saying 'Got it memorized?' is based on Axel, another one of Quinton's roles," or "The convention-exclusive Transformer Roulette was designed to use Sakuyamon's color scheme, because it's designer was a fan of Digimon," should be okay. Moderation is the keyword here.
 * Naming conventions: we already have basic naming policies, but they need to be wider and general enough for all topics, from Transphotic Eddy to His Master's Voice
 * Talk pages: Chatting will be deleted, please take it to forum instead.
 * Coupling page policy: What passes for acceptable, and what style we want them in. Personally, I rather liked Aster Selene's essay format she used on her webpage, and I believe that as long as the various claims are verifiable, cited, or however she wants to do it, that would be great. Or, we could still have them function somewhat as "relationship" articles instead of specifically couplings.
 * Canon policy: What counts as canon. I think our unofficial policy on this is "If it's published under the Digimon name, it's fair game.", but if anyone has any objections, now's a good time to air them.
 * User page policy: in most cases, it's fair game, but there are certain reasons that others may edit your page, such as to correct coding or replace deleted images, etc.
 * Categorization policy: Including how redirects are categorized.

Some of this could also go under just "Etiquette" or a similar "behavior" heading, rather than "style". "No personal attacks", "No spamming", "Be specific in criticism" and "Try to mediate arguments" would be good for that, too. We could also have in the addendum our policies on featured articles. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments:
 * A "game info" draft section, so people know what to fit it to.
 * We should mention the ongoing DawnDusk and DW Data Squad projects and ask about working on those kind of projects for various pages or have them be patterned off it.


 * Upload categorization explanation - possibly an addendum, as this is not a huge deal. Also, copyrighted images (most of them) should have a copyright summary like File:Pafumon b.jpg. Summary of that.
 * In addition, there should probably be links to where the image came from; not direct links but links to the general page.


 * Fanspace policies - absolutely no mainspace categories, what infobox to use (the Fan Digimon one), exhortation to have a rudimentary page before creating.
 * How about this? If it doesn't have an Infobox or a paragraph at the bare minimum, it gets deleted.


 * Copyright and basic duplication policy - no watermarked images, don't use other people's fanart unless they've given permission. Don't copy article text from another site (digipedia's been ripped too often), though translating or paraphrasing is fine.
 * Watermarks should probably be covered under Upload Policy as well. And no editing out watermarks either.


 * Talk pages: Chatting will be deleted, please take it to forum instead.
 * Large discussions (like this one) should probably be done on the forum as well.


 * Coupling page policy: What passes for acceptable, and what style we want them in. Personally, I rather liked Aster Selene's essay format she used on her webpage, and I believe that as long as the various claims are verifiable, cited, or however she wants to do it, that would be great. Or, we could still have them function somewhat as "relationship" articles instead of specifically couplings.
 * Aster, opinions on this one? It's your domain.  Though if we shift to general relationship articles, I wouldn't mind.


 * Canon policy: What counts as canon. I think our unofficial policy on this is "If it's published under the Digimon name, it's fair game.", but if anyone has any objections, now's a good time to air them.
 * Anything bearing the title Digimon, though probably qualifications should be used for not well known information. Like anything coming from Digimon Tamers 1984 or the manga/manhua adaptations, for example, as their exact contents are not well known.


 * Categorization policy: Including how redirects are categorized.
 * Quick question: Is Category:Redirects from Digimon an outdated artifact or what? If it is, is there a bot which can delete them all for us?

I think that's all I can think of for now. Lanate (talk) 06:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * All of that works for me. The category is a remnant from wikipedia, I believe, and would have been on every redirect we haven't taken it off of. Thus, totally redundant. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, is it all of WtW that hates us, or just Vamde? (BTW, after seeing what he/she has written about us, I had to send an e-mail correcting the misconceptions. Sorry if I went out of line, but...just so pissed off.) Glorious  CHAOS!  16:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't their card place tell you off when you asked to share card scans? And Vamde's an affiliate of WtW as well...  *shrugs*  There's no need to get into a full out bitch war anyway; we have different goals in different places.  As long as we respectfully disagree to help each other, it should be fine anyway. Lanate (talk) 16:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll apologize to Vamde then.
 * On a related note - We should also have some kind of policy for how foreign info is incorporated. Right now, we are almost exclusively Japanese/English, and we have no good way to insert info on the Spanish, French, etc. dubs. We need to figure out some way to do that that doesn't clog up the infoboxes. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * How would we do that though? Mention that in so and so version, x is true?  Add stuff to the Trivia section? Lanate (talk) 18:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of this would just be name differences, so I think the way we do it at Paildramon would be okay. For term differences, I think a trivia section would work. Finally, for voice actors - well, that's the main problem. Do we want to just throw it in there with the En and Ja VA's? It's not like we're going to find that many on our own, so we could just leave it for interested editors to add. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I got an e-mail back: Vande thinks Megchan's translations are "more official" than the official subbed episodes, and I've got to say that it's funny that everything Vande complains about us doing, wikimon does as well (since we share policies, editors, and info with them), yet he lauds wikimon as "the only reliable Digimon wiki".
 * I know I shouldn't be continuing this, and I promise to stop now, but it's just so...illogical. Glorious  CHAOS!  18:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ignore him. We're all fan dumb in some way.


 * The series pages have a collapsible section for their other networks. Can we do something to the Char Info templates for the same thing?


 * And, god, what I would pay for the text resources Shiroi Hane has, but that's merely a side note. Lanate (talk) 20:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)