Talk:Leopardmon

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Okay, This Digimon appears in Dawn/Dusk as Duftmon. Does it appear in anything else as this? If not, we need to move this to "Leopardmon", as an anime dub is "about" 1.5x a video game dub, primariness-wise. Ish. Meh. 14:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

DNA Digivolving
In Digimon World: Dawn, exactly what are the stats needed to get Duftmon from SlashAngemon(GuardiAngemon) and Grapleomon? With all due respect, Gazimon X 21:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

...um, Hitler...
Let's go over a list:
 * Austterben: Extinction.
 * Blond hair.
 * His name is "duft", close to "Adolph" (different etymologies to the names, but c'mon)
 * He is the leading strategist of the royal knights, and the knights are usually based on kings (i.e., Fuhrer).
 * On the battlefield, he transforms into a black leopard (panther) and charges across the battlefield—so he's a Panzer "tank".
 * He has the "Sword of Extermination"
 * He believes "Power = Justice".
 * 描き, in the description for "Extinction", is....painting. And he "paints an arc across the sky", like "lightning", (or blitzkreig).
 * Most gallingly of all, Duftmon X's attacks are "Brown Fog" and "One Trillion".

I have no idea how we would mention this in the article, but it is definitely notable enough to mention somehow.KrytenKoro06 01:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have already attributed the "leopard" in its name to the panzer and leopard tanks, instead of the species like we usually do. Is that okay, or would it be better to direct the link to the species, and then mention the obvious Hitler basis in another way? 02:23, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * May I suggest we start adding "Behind the Scenes" categories to all the pages so we can list things like Leopardmon being based of Hitler and the Royal Knights being based off of other kings.Etc Etc I've seen it on other wikias and its pretty "succesful" as you would call it. (Lvdoomien 00:01, March 17, 2011 (UTC))
 * We have a very strict format to the species pages, and we already cover design basis in the first lines of each profile. I don't think it's a good idea, especially since it would be largely speculation (like that above, which is 100% speculation, even if it is convincing). 00:21, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well even if the Duftmon-Hitler link is 100% speculation what about all the other digimon that are based off of real-life objects people monsters etc., like as I said earlier JumboGamemon.
 * You could make a more convincing argument that Leopardmon's based on the legendary Panther since not only is term leopard derived from panthers, do to the belief that leopards are literally lion/panther hybrids, but this would explain the Japanese name as well since a panther's roar emits a sweet smelling odor drawing in any creatures who smell it who are then eaten by the panther who will, after feasting, sleep in a cave for a total of three days after which it will roar, starting the cycle over again. Certainly more feasible than the alternative and far less offensive . Chimera-gui (talk) 00:57, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * offensive? Are you aware there's a "Fuhrer Agumon", with hitlerstache and everything, in Digital Card Battle? 12:01, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure that was meant to mock Hitler which even Western media does, see Little Nicky. Chimera-gui (talk) 16:25, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, and Leopardmon has pretty much never been a hero, except once in Xros Wars manga as a side character. He's usually portrayed as a genocidal fascist villain, like the rest of the Royal Knights. 16:35, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * As Raiden pointed out in the old Royal Knights thread, real knights were complete assholes while the romanticized image of knights as heroic came much later. The Royal Knights were most likely based on real medieval knights who were responsible for the Crusades. Chimera-gui (talk) 17:30, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's totally true, but I'm not seeing how that makes it offensive to say Duftmon's character design can be a reference to Hitler. The Third Reich was very much about resurrecting the Teutonic ideal. What is it objectionable to you for us to point out the similarities? 14:27, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * The reason I object to the idea that Leopardmon was deliberately based on the Nazis because that makes it potentially offensive to many including the Germans do to Nazi Germany being the lowest points in German history (see: ). Chimera-gui (talk) 03:21, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Even if he wasn't based on Nazis, his appearances (barring one time, in the Xros Wars manga) have been as a genocidal maniac with a German theme. That's...already pretty offensive, if there's any offense to be doing. "Hey, here's a German character, he's an asshole." 15:40, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * There's also something really bizarre to me that pointing out "Germany, as a country, is associated with an abominable, racist/classist purge that ranks as one of the worst crimes against humanity of our age, and most of the people who perpetrated it remained in power and the ideas behind it are still leading political parties across Europe and the United States today" is somehow offensive to Germans -- you'd think the fact of it would be offensive to its victims, if anyone. "As a result, several people with a former Nazi past ended up again in the political apparatus of Western Germany." That's a gotdamn nightmare, that sentence. The Nazi era was not a period where Germans were the ones meaningfully suffering -- or at least, most all of the Germans who suffered are either no longer with us, or fled the country. 15:47, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * I never said that it wasn't potentially offensive to the victims and their descendants, however it is important to understand that acting as though all Germans supported the Reich is at best historically ignorant. My point is that this is sensitive topic and not to be taken lightly, it needs to be handled with a considerable amount of tact. Chimera-gui (talk) 21:44, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * No, see, I get that not all Germans were Nazis. What I'm saying is, we have a German character who was introduced as a genocidal maniac with various techniques that reference genocide. Now, is he based on a generic German, or one of the bad Germans...? 02:19, April 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Who says that generic and bad have to be mutually exclusive?  Technically speaking, it'd be more accurate to say that Leopardmon is based on a stereotype of Germans. And unfortunately the use of stereotypes is still fairly common, especially in Japan. Chimera-gui (talk) 03:24, April 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll agree to "is based on a stereotypical Nazi", but I strongly disagree that depicting a genocidal villain as Nazi-like is offensive, unless the genocide is treated as a joke. 03:46, April 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough.Chimera-gui (talk) 04:12, April 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * Would it fair to say that Leopardmon may have also been influenced by the since the creature's power are scent based explaining the Japanese name? Chimera-gui (talk) 04:28, April 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * That seems fair. 15:15, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

Duskmon
Would it be relevant to mention the massive similarities between Duftmon and Duskmon in the Design section?

There's the names, the German, the similar color scheme and hair, the two-swords thing, how their attacks both paint arcs with their swords, how they both have beast modes, how Duskmon and Leopard Mode both have Eroberung, and how Duftmon's lepard motif is similar to Duskmon's purified lion forms. 16:05, March 4, 2016 (UTC)