Talk:Deva

These things
The spanish page has the images of the zodiac animals that Henry shows the others. Do we want to merge those images and add them? If someone could somehow incorporate the sanskrit symbols, that would be even better. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:57, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also: do we want this to be a Bandai or Toei article? The other groups are all Bandai, and the group does appear in the cards.
 * Antylamon's profile should list the evolution from Lopmon, and possibly other evolutions, since it is explicitly the Deva type Antylamon. However, only Lopmon is non-debatable.
 * Finally: We need to confirm the "Exalted" types for each of these, since the "Holy" types vary, and we need to do the alternating grey and white thing that other group articles do. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:42, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Shift to Bandai. It's a Bandai group, and Bandai > Toei. Lanate (talk) 03:33, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Pajiramon and Vajramon are both "Deva Beast Digimon" if I heard correctly.


 * Kumbiramon is introduced as "Deva Digimon" so take of that what you will.


 * Caturamon's the only explicit Exalted Beast of the bunch.


 * Everyone else doesn't have their types explicitly stated. Lanate (talk) 04:02, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Does it ever say anything like "The Deva are all Exalted Beast" Digimon?
 * I would interpret Pajiramon and Vajramon as "Deva, Beast". Glorious  CHAOS!  04:55, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, although the kanji read "Twelve Heavenly Generals", the kana read "Deva". This should probably be a translation ref (you're best with those), and we should figure out how to mention the "Deva" as mythological figures, too. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:21, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not in any episode I can find. Lanate (talk) 03:55, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Todo list

 * Rewrite article as a Bandai-style article, like Digimon Sovereigns or Seven Great Demon Lords. (use more sources?)
 * Use zodaic image, Twelve General image , and hopefully the symbol images, as done on SGDL page.
 * Verify English stats from anime and any other appearances. (Caturamon: Exalted Beast, Pajiramon+Vajramon: Beast)
 * Make card articles
 * Add Lopmon > Antylamon, and any other evolutions that are for a Deva character.
 * Add ref explaining that the kanji are read "Deva" on the cards and profiles, and wiki-link to Deva.
 * For Makuramon, does he ever have red eyes?
 * Table?
 * What type of chinese armor do they wear, and do they all wear scarves (I can't see on some of them).
 * Expand fiction section, clean up individual appearance sections.
 * Use Konaka stuff

Konaka stuff
As mentioned in Suzie's entry, episode 33 ("Rabbit Transit") was written by Ms. Reiko Yoshida, who first breathed life into Terriermon and Lopmon in the Digimon movie.
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The Digimon Tamers version of Lopmon first appears in Ultimate form as"Antyllamon". She is the last of the Deva, the 12 god-like digimon created by Zhuquaiomon, and through meeting Suzie and interacting with her, she becomes Suzie's partner.

The Deva each have their own unique speech pattern in the Japanese version, with most having an archaic mode of speech. Antyllamon's speech pattern was created by Ms. Yoshida. The adorable effect of Lopmon speaking in that same pattern surpassed even my expectations.

In order to digivolve into his Ultimate form, the powerful Beelzemon, Impmon makes a "deal with the devil", symbolically selling his soul to the Deva. The plotline that I thought up for Impmon, leading up to the midpoint of the series, was as above. ... Everything after that-- particularly the relationship between Impmon and his two young partners, his agreement with the Deva, his digivolution, his depression, and finally his digivolution to Blast Mode in a desperate attempt to save Jeri -- these were all penned by Mr. Maekawa. Many of these episodes were also directed by Mr. Maekawa and Mr. Shibata.

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Digimon Tamers trivia point
In the original version of Digimon Tamers, the Deva serve all four of the Digimon Sovereigns, while in the English dub, they serve Zhuqiaomon exclusively.

Zhuqiaomon: "The Humans endanger our future and they destroyed my servants!"

Zhuqiaomon: "I lost the Deva, our servants, because of them."

I checked the raw myself, and what Zhuqiaomon says is "我が僕". It looks like what happened is that the fan-subber translated it as "our" because that was what he was expecting from the franchise - however, the rest of the season shows even Andiramon subservient to Zhuqiaomon.

Because of that, my conclusion is that the subbed version had an understandable flaw, but since the trivia point relies on that one line, it really isn't appropriate to use. Are there any official subs for Digimon Tamers? Glorious  CHAOS!  19:09, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, there are no official subs for Tamers, just 02. I'm assuming you're using Positron Cannon's subs, as he's the only who's gotten that far.  Most likely, it's a typo.  If this is that big of a deal, I suppose we could wait until The Wild Bunch gets up to that point (which could be a long time from now). Rad140 (Message) 20:54, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the thing is that it can be translated as "our", there's just no reason to assume that it would be. If there was official subs and they translated it as "our", then we would need the trivia point, but without official subs, we're basically saying "In Tamers, all of the Deva called Zhuqiaomon their master, but at one point, the fansubs translate "my servants" as "our servants"."

Exalted Beast
When exactly is this type stated? Is it stated for all of them, or just to specific members? 02:36, January 8, 2011 (UTC)