Talk:Seven Great Demon Lords

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Isn't Barbamon mentioned as one of the seven in Next?KrytenKoro 01:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, they called him "The Demon Lord", which has also been used for VenomVamdemon. Lanate 02:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I know
It's probably way too late to change the primary fan-name, but is their any basis for "Seven Great Demon Lords" being the translation, as opposed to the more contextual "Seven Great Devils"? Is "Demon Lord" ever actually used in the dub? Or hell, even "Devil Kings" would be an acceptable translation. Basically, is there any english source that calls anything "Demon Lord"? If not, what do they use instead? 17:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Lucemon calls his Satan Mode the "true Cho-Mao" (超魔王, lit. "Super Devil King") in DWDS, so so far the dub name is just "Mao" for Demon Lords.
 * Damnit, the one time they actually refer to the SGDL in the anime, and it's replaced with "Belphemon and six others". WTH! 18:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And the only other instance, Belphemon calls himself "the Deadly Digimon, Belphemon!"


 * I'd like to vote for using the Japanese term (Demon Lord) in instances like this, when the dubbers are going out of there way to just be—well, not only idiotic, they do that all the time, but actively destructive to the intent of the material. 18:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The Bandai cards use "Evil" for all Digimon with "Demon" in their type, which is completely inaccurate the the connotation of "Demon Lord". I'll check my DS when I get home, but do any of the Digimon World games featuring Demon Lords give them any sort of name? 19:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, Digimon World Data Squad consistently calls them "Mao type Digimon", but screw that, I'm not playing along with that nonsense. The only other dub source I can think of would be Digimon World DS, which I don't have, or Digimon World Championship, which I haven't played.
 * DWD & D call Lucemon a "Demon Digimon".
 * !!!! DWD & D calls Beelzemon "One of the Demon Lords"! We've finally got a sane dub name! Woot!
 * On a side note, the game also uses "Paladin" as the translation of "Holy Knight", at least for Sleipmon. Do we want to do anything with that? 10:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Shadowlord and Ogudomon
Once we get some kind of full confirmation that Ogudomon is a member, we should probably add both of these to the section as the "Super-Demon Lord's". Shadowlord is explicitly mentioned as such in DWDS, making it a part of the concept of the group, if not a dues-paying member, and the same basically goes with Ogudomon. 11:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Code Keys DigiCode Text
Does anyone know what the English DigiCode on each of the SGDLs' code keys say in DWDS? So far, all I can make out is that their names are spelled in DigiCode at the top of each of them. --AinzX 07:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have any pictures? To be honest, I kind of stopped playing before getting to Belphemon, as the battling was just too long for me. 18:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't actually got the game but, the only "images" I can provide are ones from pausing videos which are from the highest quality ones I can find and in each case the text below the crest is illegible (unfortunately, I couldn't find the other three in similar quality):
 * @2:06 (Code Key of Sloth)
 * @1:36 (Code Key of Lust)
 * @2:10 (Code Key of Greed)


 * --AinzX 21:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't see it either. Once I get out of finals Friday, I'll see if I can boot up the game and take notes for you. 14:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

So....
Yeah.

We need to incorporate this info, because Ainz did one hell of a job figuring out stuff on this that most people never even thought of. 05:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Xros Wars
Should we also include the anime? Lilithmon's profile mentions the SGDL. 15:45, February 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * The toei site profiles are just copy-pastes of the Dictionary, with a few rare exceptions, and provide nothing to confirm that they are talking about the actual character rather than just the species. However, if the Asahi or Jintrix profiles mention them as SGDL and provide evidence that they mean the anime characters, then yes we can. This goes for the Royal Knights, Olympus Twelve, and Ten Legendary Warriors, as well. 17:40, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * One of Lilithmon's Jintrix cards mentions both the SGDL and the Three Head Officers. Should we consider that the mention to the Head Officers makes that card a character card? 16:52, Febraury 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Which card is it? I can check the profile on the card to see if it backs it up. To my recollection, the groups listed on the card face sometimes overlap. 17:40, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's 1-104, the profile doesn't mention the Bagra Army or any thing related to the anime, but it lists her as "Seven Great Demon Lords" and "Three Head Officers" (or "Three Commanders" in Wikimon's translation). 18:14, Febraury 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Jintrix also conflates MetalGreymon XW and MetalGreymon L, as well as the Adventure and Tamers Terriermons. I don't think we can treat that box as anything other than our own infoboxes. 04:19, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Would the Beelzemon seen in Xros Wars be counted as a alternate form for the demon lord beelzemon in the normal sence or in the same way as daemonm cloacked?DalekSupreme13 07:15, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

The SGDL are belphemon, lucemon, lilithmon, beelzebumon, leviamon, daemon, and barbamon

Although the Lilthmon and Leviamon in Digimon Xros Wars are not named as a members of the Seven Great Demon Lords within the anime itself, it is named a member on the card based off of it.


 * The Beelzemon in Xros Wars is only called a member of the SGDL in his original Toei profile, which was removed once they noticed that they had just copy-pasted the original form's profile from the dictionary. That's why we don't use the Toei site's profiles as applying to the actual character.
 * Lilithmon's Jintrix card just has an excerpt from her Dictionary profile, and lists that she has appeared in both the Three Head Officers and the Seven Great Demon Lords. However, those lists are compilations, not definitions of a specific character--they have what is clearly Tamers Terriermon listed as "Digimental of Fate" because of Willis's Terriermon, and they have MetalGreymon XW listed as "Crest of Courage" because of Tai's MetalGreymon.
 * The blurbs on the SDT cards, however, are absolutely about the character, and if we can get one of those (or the asahi profile, I haven't checked it yet) to say that "Leviamon, Lilithmon, and Beelzemon are SGDL", then yes, they should be listed as such.

Belphemon
is this the same Belphemon as in DWDS? who are the VAs? 14:15, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

No, it's not. The Belphemon from DWDS is a kid merged with the Code Key of Sloth; this is a different Belphemon.

Digimon can be resurrected, though, and to treat them as separate is to claim that there are two groups of SGDL in data squad: one that got sealed away, and another that got sealed away with the key cards. Depending on when the game is supposed to be set, it makes more sense to believe that the code key either has the remnants of Belphemon, or allows him to be channeled from wherever he actually is sealed. I believe the channeling bit, because this game makes more sense as happening before the Royal Knights arc, but either way it's hard for me to believe that the DWDS Belphemon is not at least a part of DDS Belphemon.
 * Also, what's the deal with Digimon World DS? Is that within the Data Squad universe, or are the DATS characters dimensional travelers or something? 14:15, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's the impression that I'm getting:


 * 1) Digimon Savers Another Mission: They are channeled from wherever they are imprisoned.
 * 2) Digimon Data Squad: Belphemon reappears and is defeated.
 * 3) Digimon World DS: The SGDL reappear.

However, that leaves the question of whether the SGDL in DS are implied to have ever been imprisoned or defeated, and why this order is opposite the show...so I guess my next question is, are the SGDL in Digimon World DS real, or are they copies like in DWDS-DSAM?

Final question: Each of these settings has the DATS squad as major characters, so they are clearly the same setting. Even if we decide they are incompatible (and honestly, Belphemon in the anime is the thing that mucks it up), should they all be covered as the same essential character, as the Ten Legendary Warriors and Celestial Digimon are for Frontier and the games based off of it?

Eh, it seems like it might be less speculatory to cover them as separate sections, it's just that it feels messy to me to do that, because of DATS being in each one. Plus we have to make new parsers for DWDS and Digimon World DS.14:25, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think that the game doesn't make sense in any time period in the Savers universe, if you consider that the events of the episodes 12-48 seem to happen on  THE SAME WEEK!!!  I think the game is non-canon as it's impossible to place it chronologically near to any episode. But I think that the Code Keys might be like the Legendary Spirits.
 * The DS thing, I heard that it's actually dimensional travel, at least for Dawn/Dusk. 14:59, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * No yeah, Dawn/Dusk is, but DS actually mentions DATS as part of its backstory. Dawn/Dusk just has them as cameos in a post-game quest. 15:37, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Um, in retrospect, want to merge the Belphemon (Digimon World Data Squad) and Belphemon (Data Squad) characters? Lanate (talk) 06:21, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Beelzemon DS
Why was Beelzemon's DS image removed? His boss battle uses the party Beelzemon sprite as far as I'm aware. He's even a single zone enemy. Lanate (talk) 19:37, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was unaware of that. Sorry, everybody! 20:00, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Lucemon's variations
Since Lucemon Shadowlord Mode was the leader of the Demon Lords in Digimon World Data Squad, shouldn't he be in the Lucemon's variations section of the table?  Tailed   Fox  00:56, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * He's a Super Demon Lord, which will be in a different place when it's added. 02:37, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Main image
Now that we finally have Dictionary images for each form, should we create a full image similar to that used for the Digimon Sovereigns? If not, should we change the Digimon Sovereigns to one of the cards or screenshots that shows all five of them? Or should we use a screenshot here? 22:39, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Code Key children
Source:

Beelzemon, Barbamon, and two of the Belphemon children bullied Yuma. I'm assuming that one of the Belphemon was meant to be the Leviamon child, but the game is what it is. 04:17, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Question
''I think the anchors should be inside the characters sections. It may be more practical in case we may ever need to change anything.''
 * The reason why I put the anchors above the section headers is because if the anchor code is put below it, the page (for me at least) tends to cut the section header out entirely. For that reason, I thought it looked aesthetically better to have the anchors above the relevant section. Lanate (talk) 22:38, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * We cooooould just set up the redirects correctly... 02:39, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * =P I dislike using the numbered system though, especially if headers change. But I wouldn't mind switching over.  Lanate (talk) 02:41, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not like skipping the header will impact in anything about the page. If you want to see the header, just roll the page up. I think that knowing that there's an anchor there once you click on "Edit" is more important than aesthetics. 03:17, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * But aesthetics are what the casual user browsing the site will see, and if we're going to be redirecting to that anchor, it should be because it looks good. Or we could just go with Kryten's suggestion and abandon the anchor in favor of the [2, 3, etc.] style redirects. Lanate (talk) 03:30, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, but we also need a way to somehow tell editors that there's an anchor there once they click on "Edit", because it's like you just start editing on a Wiki and already know all the templates they use. How about leaving hidden notes saying that an anchor is placed in the previous section? 22:50, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Lanate (talk) 20:08, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you guys are overthinking this. These anchors exist because of a redirect system that we (literally us three, not the wiki as a whole) put in place, and casual editors aren't going to have any contact with it besides being redirected. I mean, have casual editors EVER addressed the redirects, besides an errant wikia janitor cleaning up double redirects?
 * In fact, the only reason the redirects direct to the anchors instead of the specific headers is for our own benefit. I'm of the opinion that it's not too much of a hassle to use direct redirects, but if we're using anchors, the only visible effect they'll have is whether the header appears or not, so that's what we need to maintain. We really, really don't need to throw even more coding at this to publicize a kludge that is quintessentially our private tool. 20:46, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of "casual" editors that come in and stay, like I did.
 * But I just came up with a simple solution. One thing I observed about headers, is that you can throw bold, italic, and underlined codes without affecting the header's name. Then, I thought if you could do the same with anchors. Turns out you can. I think this solves it, placing anchors inside the headers. I'll apply this to other pages now. 15:56, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is incredibly hideous, though, and ignores the reason we created the anchor template (to allow redirects to point to a part of the page where we didn't want a header).
 * Plus, if a character has its own section, there's no point to having an anchor. We shouldn't be using them in sections where there are multiple characters in one section, unless the different forms are actually covered in significantly different parts of the section (like, Etemon gets a paragraph or two, then MetalEtemon gets a totally separate paragraph).
 * If it's a worry of figuring out which ID number each redirect should get, I can do that myself guys, you don't have to worry about counting. Seriously, I really, really dislike this method of using the anchors. 17:40, August 7, 2012 (UTC)