Forum:Myotismon

Why does it always seem so hard for people to see the big picture regarding Myotismon's resurrections and how he can be destroyed for good? I've said it before but no one else agrees with me, as if they haven't even seen the episodes recently.

Let's take a look at Myotismon's death history.


 * I added it to his article and it was removed for being "inaccurate", despite the fact I'm probably the only one here who's seen the Season 1 and 2 episodes recently. It's like the people who argued Grani was the same ark that took Takato and Henry to the Land of the Sovereign (that ark was destroyed on arrival, Grani was first created by the Monster Makers to take the tamers and their Digimon home, and I know Tamers better than anyone else coz I've written full transcripts of

First, Angewomon destroys him with Celestial Arrow. His spirit endures, we see him in his shadow spirit form and he absorbs his remaining minions to be revived as VenomMyotismon.

Second, WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon destroy VenomMyotismon with their most powerful attacks. We thought he was gone for good, but as revealed at the end of Season 2, his spirit endured once again, entered Oikawa, and resurrected himself as MaloMyotismon.

Third, the kids he used to return to power regain their lost hopes and dreams, destroying all of MaloMyotismon but his top half, then destroy his top half with their Digivices. Again, his spirit endures, seen in the same shadow form witnessed before he became VenomMyotismon, but this time he's immediately visible, likely revealed by the light.

But then Imperialdramon destroys Myotismon's spirit form with Giga Crusher, and as the series ends there (each new season is a reboot), it's safe to say he's gone for good.

Notice a pattern here? Every time he is destroyed he always returns as a spirit, and only by destroying his spirit form can be he permanently killed. It's been consistent every time. He's just like the Triad from Charmed. Yet people have argued against this. KillRoy231 (talk) 01:01, November 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * On this wiki? Where? 15:47, November 17, 2016 (UTC)

the episodes) KillRoy231 (talk) 21:56, November 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * As far as the alleged pattern, that's not. It's one instance. It's not provable as a pattern, which is why G-SANtos asked for a source for the claim -- we don't know that Malo is permanently destroyed, for the same reason as we didn't know Venom was permanently destroyed -- there was no evidence prior to 02 that any part of Venom had survived outside of what went into Apocalymon. The wiki relies on what the canon has explicitly stated.
 * What's more, the article does state the parts of that claim that can be solidly substantiated:
 * Even after being destroyed, Myotismon can re-establish himself if he recovers enough energy to make up for the damage received, absorbs massive amounts of data from external sources, and has some of his essence still remaining in an ethereal form.
 * 14:12, November 18, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's not a pattern if it only happens once. It happened three times, and stayed consistent, and the story ended after the one and only time Myotismon was destroyed in spirit form.


 * But I haven't actually read the article since that little debate, which was actually years ago. Now I know that section is on there, I'd say the article did an adequate job of decribing it accurately. KillRoy231 (talk) 05:50, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * " It happened three times"
 * No, it didn't. As of 02, Myotismon was only killed once, and the canon did not specifically say that he kept coming back because they "forgot to destroy his spirit". In fact, it never indicated that there was anything they could do to stop him. For all we know, he's still as alive now as he was retconned to be after Venom died. That's the point. 18:53, November 21, 2016 (UTC)


 * When was the last time you saw the episodes? I'm very familiar with them and just saw them recently, so here's what happens:


 * Wizardmon's Gift - Angewomon destroys Myotismon with Celestial Arrow. He sorta explodes in a flash of light, but his fog barrier is still up.


 * Prophecy - Myotismon is seen in a disembodied shadow form, and at 666, referred to as "the undead king" (a.k.a. a ghost, unless it was referring to his being a vampire), he absorbs his remaining minions (aside from DemiDevimon, whom he eats soon after) and reawakens as VenomMyotismon.


 * Battle for Earth - Once hit in his weak point by WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon's attacks, he disintegrates, and his fog barrier is lifted. We are meant to think that he is gone for good this time and that the "shadow form" thing can only happen once.


 * Oikawa's Shame - In an unseen disembodied form, set right when the Digidestined leave to fight the Dark Masters after VenomMyotismon's "death", he convinces Oikawa to let him in, and his shadow form is seen entering him. Once his elaborate process is complete he becomes MaloMyotismon.


 * A Million Points of Light - The light from the Digivices destroys MaloMyotismon's physical form in standard Digimon death. He's seen in the same disembodied shadow form he was in when he was about to become VenomMyotismon, and when he entered Oikawa. If we're not counting the above three instances as true deaths (rather than the mere destruction of his physical form like Sauron), it means whenever his physical form is destroyed he always survives in shadow form. But then, for the first time, his shadow form is destroyed by Imperialdramon.


 * And that was the end of the original series, which has its epilogue. So nothing has suggested that Myotismon survived this time, and we know he's dead. MaloMyotismon's equivalent to VenomMyotismon's destruction AND the original Myotismon's destruction is when his physical form is destroyed by the Digivice light, and the destruction of his shadow form, as far as we know - and as that series is ended nothing can prove otherwise - he's actually 100% dead this time. Imperialdramon says "We'll get rid of this pesky darkness forever" and Ken (I think) says "We destroyed him!"


 * True, they never explicitly stated that only the destruction of his shadow form can kill him forever, but it's pretty easy to figure out, seeing as how his shadow form survived the destruction of his previous three physical forms, but with his shadow form destroyed (which they had to do because how else could he still be around after his defeat as VenomMyotismon?), that was the end of him as far as we know. KillRoy231 (talk) 03:44, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * The epilogue explicitly states that other problems happened. Battle for Earth does not depict Venom's spirit escaping, and neither does Points of Light. It is just as easy for them to retcon in that Myotismon's spirit survived after Points of Light as it was after Battle for Earth. Furthermore, the only in-canon statement we have about why Myotismon keeps surviving is his official profile stating that he is a necromancer who can bring himself back after death -- nothing about it requiring that its spirit stays alive. Heck, Devimon was able to return from death after being very solidly killed, because Digimon don't get permanently destroyed in the first place, they just get put back in the cycle of reincarnation.
 * Your fanon makes sense with the given evidence. But it is still only fanon. 21:43, November 27, 2016 (UTC)