Talk:Digimon Sovereigns

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The info in this page needs to be retooled to make sure it only covers the Four Holy Beasts versions of this Digimon. In particular, the infoboxes, which cover all appearances in the cards—as far as I can find, the "Four Holy Beasts" group only appears in alpha.

I'll check again, because some of the cards might mention it in their quote, which is the only bit I haven't translated yet. 07:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

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 * Zhuqiaomon	[Forest Coliseum] SE 7	name	Ultimate

Pendulum Progress 3.0
Baihumon Train in Morning; No sleep disturbances, Penalties 1-, 100 battles, 60% Win Ratio Jogress GrappLeomon + WereGarurumon X (PenProg3) (NOTE: MetalGreymon (PenProg1) and HolyAngemon (PenProg2) can also be used in place of WereGarurumon X) Jogress GrappLeomon + Lucemon Falldown Mode (D-scan3) Qinglongmon Jogress WereGarurumon X + GrappLeomon (PenProg3) (NOTE: MegaloGrowmon (PenProg1) and Bastemon (PenProg2) can also be used in place of GrappLeomon X) Jogress WereGarurumon X + Silphymon (D-Scan3) Zhuqiaomon WereGarurumon X, Cerberumon X, Mihiramon, GrappLeomon, Garudamon X, Deramon, Train in noon, Penalties 2+, 50 battles. Xuanwumon WereGarurumon X, Cerberumon X, Mihiramon, GrappLeomon, Garudamon X, Deramon, Train in night, 80 battles, 60% Win Ratio.

Baihumon	[LCD]	Data	24, 27, 41, 67	HP-72, AP-14, SP-3	45	25	15, 12	110 hours Qinglongmon	[LCD]	Data	24, 27, 41, 67	HP-81, AP-12, SP-4	50	30	15, 13	100 hours Zhuqiaomon	[LCD]	Virus	11, 28, 39, 67	HP-66, AP-14, SP-5	50	20	12, 10	105 hours Xuanwumon	[LCD]	Vaccine	21, 34, 49, 67	HP-66, AP-12, SP-5	55	25	12, 10	135 hours

D-3
Version 1 Secret Digimon

Area 01: Zhuqiaomon, HP: 12, AP: 3 Area 02: Xuanwumon, HP: 12, AP: 3 Area 03: Qinglongmon, HP: 13, AP: 3

Changed Secret Digimon

Area 01: Zhuqiaomon becomes Volcamon. Area 02: Xuanwumon becomes Mamemon.

Version 2 Secret Digimon

Area 01: Xuanwumon, HP: 12, AP: 3 Area 02: Qinglongmon, HP: 12, AP: 3 Area 03: Baihumon, HP: 13, AP: 3

Version 3 Secret Digimon

Area 01: Qinglongmon, HP: 12, AP: 3 Area 02: Baihumon, HP: 12, AP: 3 Area 03: Zhuqaiomon, HP: 13, AP: 3 Area 03: Qinglongmon becomes Archnemon.

Ultimate D-Ark
37	Baihumon	chi-284	HP:15, AP:5 38	Xuanwumon	shi-124	HP:15, AP:5 39	Zhuqiaomon	shi-421	HP:15, AP:4 40	Qinglongmon	chi-206	HP:15 AP:5

Omegamon	image	901	Imperialdramon Paladin Mode (HP:15, AP:5) Quinlongmon	image	206

Secret A: 4000 steps (Clear Area 1 with less than 9000) Turuiemon, Lopmon, Baihumon* Boss: Mihiramon (HP10, AP2)

Secret B: 4000 steps (Clear Area 3 with less than 12000) Mihiramon, Guardromon, Xuanwumon* Boss: Makuramon (HP12, AP3)

Secret C: 4000 steps (Clear Area 5 with less than 15,000) Pajiramon, Vikararamon, Zhuqiaomon* Boss: CyberDramon (HP15, AP5)

FINAL: 15,000 steps (Clear Area 7 with less than 15,000) MetalGarurumon, Justimon, Qinglongmon* Boss: Megidramon (HP15, AP4)

Dark Area: 4000 steps (Defeat all four Gods in the stages, and clear FINAL) Every 500 steps, Baihumon, Xuanwumon, or Zhuqiaomon will appear. Boss: Qinglongmon (HP15, AP5)

Note: You have a "1%" chance of seeing a DigiGod (Baihumon, Xuanwumon, Zhuqiaomon or Qinglongmon) during the levels indicated. If you defeat them all, then after you beat 'FINAL' you will be taken to the 'Dark Area'.

Bo-694	Zero Unit: Used to evolve Beelzebumon and Dukemon (Get from Qinglongmon or Blue Card). [LCD]	na-000

Digimon Accel Justice/Evil Genome
Special DDPs DDP #	Resulting Item(s)	CODE	Illustration RARE DPP	Battle + Burning Knuckle	101101	Zhuqiaomon RARE DPP	Battle + Dark Cannon	001110	Huanglongmon RARE DPP	Battle + Energy Lance	010110	Huanglongmon (Silver) RARE DPP	Battle + Ice Claw	110101	Baihumon RARE DPP	Battle + Lightning Hammer	000110	Xuanwumon RARE DPP	Battle + Wind Sword	111101	Qinglongmon

D-Scanner
1.0 Qinglongmon	0000000730121 Xuanwumon	0000000740112

2.0 Baihumon	? Zhuqiaomon	0000000740211

3.0 Huanglongmon	0000000430311

Revisions
First off, we try to keep speculation to a minimum, so the line in the personality differences goes.

Secondly, what you add changes the translation of primary source information of the Sovereigns not just in the Adventures/Tamers timelines but in the Digimon franchise in general. That's why it keeps getting removed, and also why I moved it down to the trivia section instead of the main-line bio, which is meticulously sourced. Lanate (talk) 00:26, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

The Power of the Master/Host Computers exceeding that of the Harmonious Ones
First of all, Humans in general are not stronger than Digimon in general. The exceptions would be Marcus and Spencer Damon. After all it was Spencer who single handedly defeated SaberLeomon and fought Merukimon to a standstill. Secondly, in general both Humans and Digimon are stronger than computers. A noted exception is King Drasil/Ygggdrasil. After all in Digimon Chronicle/X Evolution, Yggdrasill wiped out most Digimon and let the Digital World collapse in the first case and in the second case would have wiped out all Digimon along with the Digital World. In Data Squad King Drasil/Yggdrasill was able to stand up to the combined power of all four Burst Modes and defeat them with one attack. However he was not invulnerable nor invincible, after all in X Evolution and Digimon Next he was destroyed and in Data Squad he was badly damaged. ENIAC was shut down in Digimon Tamers: Brave Tamer and Atanasoff would have been as well if not for the intervention of Ryo Akiyama and his allies.

Jdogno1

P.S please reply
 * This:
 * "(This behaviour might be likely due to the crisis presented by the D-Reaper). "
 * Is wrong because it is completely and absolutely speculation. Stop adding it. It's also a complete misinterpretation based on the immense changes presented by the dub—the original Japanese Qinglongmon has the same personality as his bio suggests, in which he just doesn't care enough to help out unless it is life or death—this is still evident in the fact that even after the Dark Towers are brought down, or before the Dark Masters show up, Azulongmon does not help out the DigiDestined until BWGmon forces him out.


 * Secondly, your reply above is completely irrelevant, and doesn't affect the discussion whatsoever. Your basic claim, that just because ENIAC is the creator it must be the most powerful, is a complete non-sequitor, as the examples of Henry's dad was supposed to illustrate—creators, especially in this series, have no real need of being the most powerful. Millenniumon, in fact, is more powerful than ENIAC and Atanasoff. One of the big themes of the series is creating something new and more powerful than could ever be expected—the Bio-Merging, for example, was able to do what not even the Sovereigns could do in Tamers, and Ryo's partnership with Monodramon was able to take down Millenniummon where ENIAC could not. In fact, if I recall the plot of Brave Tamer correctly, all the computers were able to do was transport Ryo, and they were specifically hidden away because they were not mighty.
 * To reiterate and summarize—speculation is ABSOLUTELY NOT TOLERATED on this wiki. No amount of "but it makes sense to meee" will change that. 03:24, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply
Thank you for the reply KrytenKoro/Glorious Chaos. I understand everything you said. I have no further argument to your last reply. If I may ask, can the point of ENIAC and Atanasoff possibly exceeding the Harmonious Ones (on their article page) be included among my contributions? Please? Sorry if I was rude in asking for a reply.

Jdogno1
 * Thank you in return for being polite here, and I'm sorry for getting peeved at you. The point about ENIAC and Atanasoff is currently a trivia point at the bottom of the article. 12:18, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

My point being attributed to me
Dear KrytenKoro/Glorious Chaos, I understand that my point is in the trivia section but will it be included among my contributions? Thank you for apologising and no hard feelings.

Jdogno1

Main image
Do we want to use the arguable fan-made main image we have now, or do we want to use St-481 (80% Winning Percentage!), which is not a card of the Sovereigns, per se, but depicts the four original ones. There is also Bo-1019 (Holy Beasts Great Cardinal Positions), which depicts all five, but in even lower quality; however, it does depict the Soverigns officially.

Personally, since the current image is just sticking the five official images next to each other, I'm okay with it (personal bias, though), but if we want to change, I recommend Bo-1019. 22:44, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Featured article nomination.
This article has been featured as a nomination for the Featured Article. Here's what Lanate stated needed work:


 * All of the fiction sections must be rewritten in present tense.
 * The stubbed fiction sections must be completed.
 * The Fanglongmon section needs polishing.

I've been looking at this article and trying to fix things, but I'm having a hell of a hard time trying to write the fiction sections in past tense. Especially when they discuss facts that happened before a series (like the Dark Masters sealing the Soverigns in Digimon Adventure, which is in the past (tense)). I think they're going to have to be rewritten from scratch.

I have no idea what the stubbed fiction sections actually are (are they the Tamagotchi-like Digivice toys?), and there's the info dump up above on this page, but again, no idea of how to state it.

Not sure exactly what the Fanglongmon section needs.

So, help please. Rad140 (Message) 23:06, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * The stuff up top is the Tamagotchi-like toys, and I think Kryten should take care of that since I have little to no info about it.


 * I can rewrite the sections in present tense if you haven't gotten too far into it. There's a stylistic point to it though: are we writing those sections from the viewer's chronology or from the character's? I'd prefer to write it from the character's; i.e. write beginning from the character's past and into the present situation, so it's all present tense. If you write it from the viewer's, you can probably use past tense when necessary. If my point's too confusing (since I can't describe it very well), I can do my rewrite and show what it looks like.


 * Fanglongmon just to be patched to look like the other bios. It doesn't have very much information for its Sovereign status. Lanate (talk) 23:11, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Quotation marks
Should I put "Sovereign" in quotation marks where it first appears in the profiles (here and on individual pages), like I do with the other Digimon-group profiles? For reference, the original nihongo does not use quotation marks, and the flow of the passage reads as if the reader knows what the Sovereigns are, and they are not being defined. 02:30, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Title
Is there any reason this can't be just "Sovereigns"? 04:34, April 6, 2011 (UTC)