Talk:Digivolution

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Ultimate Digimon are those who have attained the final stage of evolution. Rarely encountered, these Digimon tend to be extraordinarily powerful. Evolution is still observed, though rarely, to other Ultimate Digimon.

They possess very little offensive capability and generally rely on the care of other Digimon or humans to survive. Most of them attack using bubbles or some other mildly offensive technique. They evolve quickly to Baby II. Most Baby I Digimon have only a single Baby II stage to evolve into, with no branching. Baby I Digimon don't appear in the TCG cards, aside from minor illustrations on Option Cards.

Do we want to integrate these to the page? 04:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hybrid
Quick question: where did the names for the Hybrids come from? And a quick search of the kana for "ハイブリッド体-P" gets this page only, "ハイブリッド体-H" like six based off of this page and "ハイブリッド体-B" four. And where did Advanced Hybrid and Zeta Hybrid come from? I assume from the Japanese D-Scanner, but are there any other places? Lanate (talk) 17:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Some anon added them one day. They appear to be based off of "Pico Hybrid", and the like, though I don't know where those terms come from either.
 * ShiningEvo says this:

Hybrid Digimon: A Digimon who has used one of the Spirits created by the Warrior Ten to evolve. There are Beast, Human, ???, Advance,. and Z Hybrids. Beast and Human Digimon are roughly strong Adults, Advance Digimon are roughly around Perfect, and Z Hybrids are around strong Perfect/weak Final in strength. The only ??? Hybrid was a fusion of a Human Hybrid and the Digi-Code of a Final; it was weaker than an Advance Hybrid.

22:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC) Is there a list of all DNA digivolution combinations?
 * What do you mean? A list of all combinations in the video games? Not here. There's a list of notable ones on the page, but nothing extensive. Lanate (talk) 15:55, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I meant all DNA evolutions ever, but you said there's nothing extensive. --RyuHimora 16:20, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that, in plenty of video games, you can, literally, DNA Digivolve all Digimon that you can have in your party, so putting an extensive list is... a bit difficult. The article lists all of the storyline DNA Digivolutions, however. Lanate (talk) 18:26, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

I personally wonder about DNA Digivolution, as it seems to be more a alternate way for the three new Digimon of Adventure 02 to reach their natural Ultimate levels. I say this because the three DNA Digivolved digimon have very little, if any, of the other digimon in their design. Ztyran
 * Shakkoumon is really the only one that could be true for, and he has nothing of either Champion in him—he has themes, "Armor" from Ankylomon, and "Angel" from Angemon. 01:25, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Xros Wars finale
In the finale of Xros Wars, all the protagonists appear. Veemon and Stingmon DNA Digivolve to Imperialdramon, so would that count as a Warp DNA Digivolution? It's normally Exveemon and Stingmon to Paildramon. Also, it specifically mentions that WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon's digivolution was NOT a jogress, just a fusion, so I wonder if that should be removed from the DNA Digivolve list? It's notable that the 02 digivolution used a spiral animation, similar to the stock footage, while the Adventure 'mons just glowed before combining. Digifiend 17:32, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I could be mistaken, but doesn't the dub refer to Omegamon as a DNA Digivolution? This Wiki is about the dub, so I think that we should have a reference tag, or parenthesis, saying that in the Japanese version it was just a fusion.
 * About V-mon and Stingmon, I agree with what you say, since technically Imperialdramon evolves from a Jogressed Digimon, making it a Jogress Ultimate (Mega), at least by our lists of Partner Digimon and Digimon Character Infobox. 19:20, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Xros and DNA
Is there that much of a difference between these? I can see how Ominimon is not a Xros but why does paildramon look like exveemon wearing stingmon parts similar to a Xros. or am i misunderstanding what a Xros is? also what is a jogress, seen it multiple times and not really understanding it either. not familiar with the newer digimon

never mind the jogress, just saw its is the same as DNA. On another site it was listed as a separate evolution. Still DNA and Xros kinda similar are they not? and as i read above, some of the DNA evolution do seem to me that it just a easier way for a digimon to get to a higher regular form, paildramon is a DNA in anime, and regular form in other media according to this site so that supports this theory.

In DNA Digivolution two digimon form into one being with usually one DigiCore, Chaosmon being the only exception, but in a DigiXros rather than two digimon becoming one, one digimon is using others to 'upgrade' themselves so to speak. In DigiXros the digimon with the strongest soul (the partner digimon usually) is the one who leads the new xrossed form while the others lay dormant inside of him, still concious but not really able to do anything but talk or give advice to the lead digimon. Jayce Signmorou (talk) 15:12, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Basically, a Xros is a gestalt entity (multiple parts, multiple minds), while a jogress is a combined entity (one body, multiple minds), and a fusion is one entity (one body, one mind). 21:32, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

ok i understand a Xros now, i have never gotten to see one so did not know multiple minds still present. A DNA or Jogress is where both bodies come together, to create a new body but with both souls inside. Ok that is clear, but when were fusions introduced? and what digimon is a fusion? I seen omnimon is one, and kinda see a difference, omnimon is the creation of two digimon, making 1 body with their minds joining together to become 1 too. right? As for chaosmon, he just looks like a cheap omnimon rip off made of other digimon. Figured he works the same way since he is the same but creation of two different digimon (both chaosmon) and then ultimatechaosmon or whatever is a creation of those two making him the creation of two digimon, not 4 since the two that make him are fusion right? or do chaosmon count as jogress?
 * Chaosmon is both a Xros and an incomplete Jogress (DNA). Omnimon is considered a Fusion in the original anime, but also appears as a Xros in recent materials. The distinction is minute and not really even that important in the end. 06:55, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, that is what i actually thought Bully. After seeing more of the Xros i noticed that the fusion and Xros were about the same thing but with a minute difference.

"Jogress"
V-Tamer uses "Jogres". Do we have a source that says "Jogress" with two "S"'s? 00:15, October 5, 2012 (UTC)/21:15, October 4, 2012 (Brasília)
 * I believe Izzy depicts how the word is made in the 02 episode.
 * It also uses PARTITION for our DNA degeneration. 01:08, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, he does, in katakana. But the only material I know to have a romanization is V-Tamer, which spells the word as "Jogres".  02:13, October 5, 2012 (UTC)/21:12, October 4, 2012 (Brasília)
 * Well then guess what we found another thing the fandom's been wrong about this whole time. 04:33, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, Masters localizes it as "Jogress". 02:21, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * "Jogres" is still the official romanization, but we can go back to listing Jogress as an official alternative. Lanate (talk) 03:22, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b163462245#enlargeimg has Jogress. 23:53, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Artistic license
The anon is claiming that Greymon and MetalGreymon or Garurumon and WereGarurumon being depicted within the warp digivolution sequences in Our War Game!! is artistic license, despite the movie clearly showing this sequence being visible to the various children watching the battle around the world.

Completely disregarding the fact that the series is about a world where digital information manifests as reality, and it's therefore incongruous to claim that something isn't real "because it's just an animation", the issue is being covered in-universe either way, so it would be banal to say that the sequence is artistic license in real life, since, c'mon, so is the rest of the franchise, and I can't figure out who he thinks the artist is who is taking the time to animate these sequences while the monsters are battling everyone, if they're not "actually happening". I especially think it's silly to claim that they have no in-universe significance when, again, we see the scenes plainly being observed in shots that are inarguably "real".

For the claim that it is "artistic license just like in the show", I point you to the various failed Digivolutions, like when Agumon digivolved...to Agumon in My Sister's Keeper. Those may be stock animation, but that does not mean they are non-canon.

I'm of the opinion that denoting the evolution sequences specifically as artistic license is both arbitrary and totally baseless. I don't want to edit war this any further, so can the other admins weigh in so we can end this discussion? 23:30, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...I don't undestand? It's not just in Our War Game!.  Those sequences are the same sequences as from the show, aren't they?  I mean, IIRC, the normal warp digivolution animation goes through those forms as well?


 * But the digivolutions sequences are still happening real-time aynway, aren't they? Otherwise Patamon would've Angemon'd up and unleashed some mad destruction...  Lanate (talk) 00:02, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * He's claiming not only that the Digimon do not actually warp "through" those forms as depicted, but that the depictions have are artistic license and don't actually occur within the Digimon universe, even though we are shown characters observing and remarking upon the digivolution animations.
 * Needless to say, I think this is poppycock. 01:36, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Lanate, G-SANtos? 07:26, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * In DA40, we see the Digimon evolving to their Child forms while Gomamon is running, and the way it's depicted is just them involved by a light and changing their shape to the ones of the Child forms, not the CD-like spin of the normal Evolution animations. So, this makes me believe that the Evolution animations are only in-universe in Our War Game, Diablomon's Revenge, and XW78. However, I don't think this means they don't warp through the forms. 16:37, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think this solves the matter of the specific edit, but there's a point here I want to discuss; the external light.
 * In Tamers, we see as part of the evolution that the humans go inside their Digimon, and this is even a plot point as suddenly Takato is missing. We see an "internal universe" where Takato turns out to be.
 * Similar to that, I believe that we can fairly interpret the evolution animations as happening within the Digimon's "internal code/universe"; it's not what you would normally view when standing next to the Digimon, but it's still happening, and it is viewable if you have the means. Thoughts? 20:05, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that makes sense, the Tamer Ball is definitely a pocket dimension. And the occurrences where the Evolution is viewable by others, well, in M2, the Internet/Network may be a connection between the Real and Digital Worlds, so there may be a dimensional mechanic that made it become viewable and happen in real-time, the XW78 case can be easily assumed to be caused Quartzmon's interference with the dimensions, however, this leaves M4's occurence unexplained, but that's not much of a problem, 02 didn't care about continuity. Either way, I'm okay with this interpretation. 17:53, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Warp DNA Digivolution
The one that's used in Fusion. Do we want to just merge that in with the Agumon+Gabumon > Omnimon thing, since there seems to be nothing differentiating it (and they do say "Warp Digivolution", apparently)? Also, should there be Agumon + Gabumon > Omnimon cited on those pages? How do we deal with "breaking the warp" when DNA is involved? 15:47, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't remember them saying "Warp" (or even talking at all, Taichi's Agumon was the only Partner to speak in that episode), but maybe we should include them. For the "break the warp" part, that's simple: If it's the same character, count it as a warp, if not, then count it as a normal Jogres. 01:22, February 15, 2013 (UTC)/23:22, February 14, 2013 (Brasília, summertime)
 * Okay, just to get this figured out:


 * For Imperialdramon, do we list Veemon + Stingmon (src: Fusion)?
 * For Omnimon, do we list Agumon + Gabumon (src: Adventure) alongside MetalGreymon + WereGarurumon (src: cards) and WarGreymon + MetalGarurumon (src: Adventure)?


 * I'm interpreting your above comment to mean we would NOT list Agumon + Gabumon or Veemon + Stingmon, as they are the same characters as those we've seen Jogres "properly", but we would list MetalGreymon + WereGarurumon, because that Jogres has a different source. Is this what we're going with/Lanate, what is your viewpoint? 02:15, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Cerberumon Jinrou Mode
User:KrytenKoro why did you delete Cerberumon to Cerberumon Jinrou Mode, while it hasn't been shown in the anime or manga, it has been shown in V-Jump Magazine, and Digimon Crusader, which is listed as the source that states Cerberumon mode changes into Jinrou Mode on its page. (NitroWolf1283 (talk) 03:43, October 8, 2013 (UTC))
 * You personally need to provide a source, whether it be in the edit comments or on the page, for any material that isn't readily checkable by other editors (such as new Digimon not appearing on the Digimon Dictionary, or appearing in materials not accessible by international editors like Crusader). Other wiki articles are not acceptable. Just redo the edit while providing the original source. 04:54, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hybrid sublevels
Can we get sources for those? I know Fusion Form and Transcendant Form come from the cards, and KaiserGreymon/MagnaGarurumon's profiles also call them "超越種", or "Transcendant Species". Where are "Fusion Hybrid" and "Unified Hybrid" coming from? 15:50, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * They were replacement terms based on Fusion Spirit Evolution and Unified Spirit Evolution because we had the Zeta, etc. stuff. I dunno if there's a specific basis in canon. Lanate (talk) 02:27, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Multiple Digimon, same species
Our EVOREF doesn't always track this (Armageddemon, Cherrymon, Infermon, Woodmon, Raremon, etc.), and neither do our infoboxes. Should we? 18:58, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Appmon
I assume that Legognocchi was referring to the fact that 's only known App Fusion partner is for Rebootmon. Chimera-gui (talk) 22:54, April 23, 2017 (UTC)

Ultra (Super Ultimate)
Here is a confirmation that Ultra/Super Ultimate isn't a level but just a category for stronger Megas. There is something as well for Chaosmon jogres (he is a jogress, not a fusion, unlike Omegamon).

Source: Kenji Watanabe's Twitter--Zero (talk) 17:44, June 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not a confirmation because (1) he's not speaking as a representative of Bandai in that twitter, and (2) the games have unequivocally nixed the idea that it's not a separate level. It may have been the case while Kenji was on board, but the franchise has moved past that. 13:45, June 19, 2017 (UTC)

DNA/Fusion
I've added the difference between them, though I would recommend someone edit the picture to remove Omnimon and have that picture under the Fusion section.
 * Omegamon is perhaps not the most representative example, but it *has* been a Jogress in official media. 13:32, May 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed, that's why I left him on a few of them, as in those media (Cyber sleuth, next order, hacker's memory, v-tamer) Ultra exists, so its a DNA, whilst in the anime and a few other games, it's Fusion. I guess Ordinemon could be used... but I'd say there's a 100% chance she shows up in the next Story game as a Ultra through a DNA. same with Gracenovamon, I'd assume he's in the next game as it's heavily implied to be a Olympus game (As they want to make one). So depending on media, omnimon is both.Marcusbwfc (talk) 16:17, May 1, 2018 (UTC)


 * https://withthewill.net/threads/19950-New-Digimon-Obtained-Via-Jogress-in-20th-Anniversary-Pendulums you can see here where they stated the difference. Depends on if you belive the translation of With The Will, I guess. "Jogress is done by combining specific Digimon together, resulting in an evolution into a new Digimon. They also point out that while fusion is similiar to jogress, it doesn't change the Digimon's level (they then point out that sometimes, including in the new Pendulums, jogress is used as a catchall term for both jogress and fusion.)" here's the page where they state it in Japanese. http://www.b-boys.jp/topics/detail/185/ Marcusbwfc (talk) 16:17, May 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * The translation is basically accurate, but these are the same people who claimed that the Ultra level doesn't exist. So, it's not a franchise-wide definition. 19:57, May 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * To be fair, Ultra is commonly treated as a subset of Mega in-universe, specifically the DRB which listed Armageddemon as a Mega level despite being referred to as an Ultra in-profile. Chimera-gui (talk) 20:31, May 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * Ultra just depends on universe. It counts in CS, NO, HM and V-Tamer but not in other media. So in some cases, Omnimon is a Fusion (the anime, most games) but in others, is a DNA (Those games+that manga). It's just them trying to be special snowflakes with using new terminology. They aren't even consistent with it, as Chaosmon is stated to be a Jogress on his profile... even though the defintion doesn't fit him (I guess it was added before they decided to go "Fusion is a differnet thing guys!"). They also recently had the "DNA is one absoring another to level up" - so they seem intent on changing things, cuz lol.Marcusbwfc (talk) 22:25, May 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * Technically, Jogress as one absorbing another to level up has been a thing since the mechanic's conception. That's why the original Pendulum had Digimon like Piximon, Jagamon, and SaberLeomon among others result from it despite clearly not being fusions like Omnimon, Paildramon, and Silphymon. This is actually part of the reason I'm more forgiving of Shakkoumon as a Jogress despite being more of a fusion of concepts than one of composition. Chimera-gui (talk) 23:08, May 1, 2018 (UTC)