Talk:Omnimon

I don't think so Royal Knight is also included as a family. Furthermore, when did Omnimon's level become super ultimate? The Darkness is My Light, the Thunder Fang, My Cannon 02:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have nothing to say about the Super Ultimate level; speculation, I'm sure, based on Mega + Mega DNA Digivolution.


 * Royal Knight has been included in the family because it appears in the same space as the family does. Lanate (talk) 08:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Please check Royal Knights article and you will see his level is Mega. The Darkness is My Light, the Thunder Fang, My Cannon 08:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I never said that it was right, just that it was possibly changed due to speculation. Lanate (talk) 10:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Virus variant
Was there not a virus variant, with a black Garuru arm and blue WarGrey arm? I saw it in video games, and it is claimed it is the DNA Digivolution of BlackWarGreymon and BlackMetalGarurumon.


 * Is there a specific video game you have in mind? Lanate (talk) 20:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That Omnimon appears in Battle Revolution (a screenshot, as well as a doctored Omnimon image, can be found here: http://dma.wtw-x.net/dexomni.shtml#1 ), although it doesn't say it's virus, just a colour change (if two players select Omnimon, that Omnimon is the second player's), I think it's pretty clear that it is the DNA Digivolution of BlackWarGreymon and BlackMetalGarurumon. I've seen it somewhere before saying that, but I can't remember where. Ggctuk 22:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * With a blue WarGreymon head? It's just an "Extra" Omnimon, like ExtraLobomon and ExtraAgunimon. 06:39, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

getting omnimon
hey. i just got omnimon today on digimon world dusk i discovered that you only need one of them to have the required skill. metalgarurumon had 415 speed, level 65 and 100% friendship. wargreymon didn't have it yet and i was still able to DNA digivolve to omnimon

super ultimate level
He would be super ultimate because a mega + mega = super ultimate.
 * Super Ultimate is not a speculative level. It must be sourced. Lanate (talk) 17:40, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wouldnt it be sourced from the virutal pets? I thought he was called a form 7 in the newer ones (cant remember series). and form 7= super-ultimate, virtual pet= source.
 * Not necessarily, since they also have Rookies and Hybrids showing up as form 7s. Agumon Hakase, I think. You can mention that they are form 7 in the section of their article about the virtual pet, but from what I've seen the v-pet profiles also call them Megas. 02:37, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Transcendent Sword and Supreme Cannon
Should these be taken as dub names for the equipment, as we do with other articles? Do we have evidence of the dubbed materials distinguishing the attack from the item? 20:13, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * Do we have any dubbed profile that might describe equipments? 20:28, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * The ones in the video games, perhaps, or the shows themselves. Data Squad game uses Grey Sword and Garuru Cannon, but it also uses those for the techs. 22:37, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe the assumption was based on the fact that Transcendent Sword and Supreme Cannon are the dub names for the attack which are themselves named for the weapon used for each attack in the original material. Chimera-gui (talk) 22:42, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * Correct. Every other Digimon with an attack matching their weapon name, we treat the dub of the attack as the dub of the weapon (see esp. Deva). We're not doing that in Omnimon's case, and I'm trying to find out if we have a good reason for that. 15:06, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

tri.
Official tri. subs use "Omegamon". Do we create a "Omegamon (Adventure)" link for the tri. section here? Do we use this name when coreving his tri. plot in the character page? 15:40, December 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ping on this. 21:54, December 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Dub name > sub name, even official subs, so Omnimon dominates. We should still use dubbed names for flow and consistency reasons, otherwise we'd be using the Japanese names for all tri. coverage and that's just unmanageable. Lanate (talk) 02:21, December 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Should we note in the character page the fact the subs use his Japanese name, despite using dub names for all other Digimon? 18:38, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * TBH, I haven't watched the subs, but if it's true, then a ref note would be appropriate. Lanate (talk) 18:43, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Confirmed Ultra / Super Ultimate
Alongside Imperialdramon Paladin Mode, Lucemon Satan Mode, and Belphemon Rage Mode, these four digimon have been given the title of Ultra in Digimon Cyber Sleuth. Proof is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCLMHJQrL4E

(Avantidude (talk) 13:01, February 28, 2016 (UTC))
 * Reference Book reigns supreme, so these would be counted as secondary levels in a ref note. 14:41, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

That honestly is what I was hoping for anyway. I think Black Omnimon is Ultra as well in that game. will you add a reference to all of them, or do i need to make this note to each digimon i mentioned?

Avantidude (talk) 23:19, February 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Same note. 02:31, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Original Name?
While I don't hate the name Omnimon, -Next 0rder- is using Omegamon for all the species including presumably Zwart so it might be a good idea to use that name for the sake of consistency. How does everyone feel about this. Chimera-gui (talk) 20:11, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Current rules state the first anime dub name trumps everything else. We might have to rediscuss this if it turns out all future dub materials use Omegamon. The official subs for tri., at least, use Omegamon despite using dub names for all other Digimon, and I think that may have been on purpose. 20:16, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * If I'm remembering correctly, the tri. dub uses Omnimon. Lanate (talk) 18:20, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * It does, a friend of mine who watched the tri dub confirmed that last night when I asked her about it.

That said, I'm not fond of having it be Omnimon for the main page and Zwart while ZD and AB are Omegamon. I'd much rather just have one name across the board for species. The character in Adventure's gonna use Omnimon no matter what. Chimera-gui (talk) 18:47, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Omnimon's been Omnimon in dubbed materials for far longer than it's been Omegamon. I'm reluctant to move it. Lanate (talk) 19:32, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * If new materials make a concerted effort to change the localization style for the characters to "just romanize it", I think it would make sense to re-examine how we name things. However, if the tri dub is still using Omnimon, it sounds like it's just a case of a few cheaply-translated games. 02:33, February 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this as bad translation like in Cyber Sleuth since we need to gauge the quality of the translation as a whole first and foremost.

Remember that the tri dub came out months before -Next 0rder- was localized so it's entirely possible that the name went back to Omegamon between them. Don't forget that Frontier's dub changed Kerpymon's name back to Cherubimon so this is not without precedent. Chimera-gui (talk) 03:41, February 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, that's a good point, why do we use Cherubimon and Seraphimon wiki-wide instead of Kerpymon and Seraphymon, given those names were used in DHT? 18:33, March 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * As mentioned before, the names Cherubimon and Seraphimon are both used in Frontier and the standard as I've always understood it was that the latest name takes precedence over earlier one(s) and only recently was this contested. The names Kerpymon and Seraphymon on the other hand were used for toys which are low in the hierarchy we use as discussed before:"As I understand it, our process for defining canon places video games and anime/manga first, second only to the reference book itself, while card games and toys are always supplementary unless there's no other source." Chimera-gui (talk) 23:32, March 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * "Seraphymon" at least is used in the credits, so it counts as being used in the anime.
 * As for "the tri. dub came months before Next Order was localized", actually, the American version of next 0rder uses the Taiwanese version's English script, and next 0rder was released in Taiwan on June 9, 2016, three months before "Reunion" was released on the USA. So, actually, the N0 script came first. Even if you account for the amount of time that would be needed between translating, dubbing, and releasing, I still think N0 would have taken longer than tri. due to the fact it's a videogame, and thus needs more time than an 80 minutes long anime. 00:40, March 14, 2017 (UTC)/21:40, March 13, 2017 (Brasília)
 * Fair enough but my point is that it isn't fair to dismiss N0 as a "cheaply-translated game" as Kryten was quick to without even bothering to gauge the overall translation quality, especially over something that there is technically a precedent for.

That fact that N0 actually localized SnowGoblimon's name after 10+ years rather than using the Japanese romanization that had used prior is also why I want to see why Omegamon was used over Omnimon. Chimera-gui (talk) 03:29, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * I ultimately disagree with your statement that there is a concerted effort to change the localization to Omegamon, as one or two games is not a pattern. Lanate (talk) 03:57, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * As an aside to Kryten, Kerpymon never makes an anime appearance as a name, not even in the credits; we use Kerpymon for the Adventure character because his card used the name. Seraphimon is Seraphimon because it got noticed way late, and that the Seraphimon spelling is used literally everywhere else. Lanate (talk) 04:04, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Technically it was Kryten who suggested there being a concerted effort, I simply pointed out that N0 used Omegamon for all variants of Omnimon hence why I asked about this. One or two games may not a pattern but four species, I can confirm that Zwart is using the Omegamon name as well, is not something I feel we should be ignoring. Chimera-gui (talk) 05:13, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeaaaaah, I'm still confused on that. Why does N0 count for SnowGoblimon, but the various Digimon World games it had already appeared in do not?
 * Does anyone remember what page we had this discussion on last time? Was it MedicalGallantmon? I'd really like us to figure out what we decided last time and put it in the Manual of Style so we don't lose it again. 13:27, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no idea why it took this long for SnowGoblimon's name to be correctly localized when Goblimon had been localized since Tamers. And it was MedievalDukemon though it had also be brought up on Zwart's page as well, our conclusion was that lastest name still supercedes previous names as it had always been but we would ignore the medals since those were too shoddily translated.

We'd also use dub names that made sense such as FlameWizardmon, Agumon Expert, and BanchoLillymon and are considering a mix-and-match provision when it came to Heroes and Cyber Sleuth. Chimera-gui (talk) 16:08, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Talk:Marsmon. Also, I still can't equate internal consistency within a single game to be the same as a concerted effort. Lanate (talk) 20:19, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * To be honest, if there's a concerted effort to change the name to Omegamon, it would some years for us to notice. We should wait for more games and anime to use that name. tri. probably uses "Omnimon" to be consistent with the other two series, and even if Bandai and Toei end up changing the Western name to "Omegamon", I'm sure any other future Adventure series would still use "Omnimon" for consistency. 20:43, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with G-SANtos on this. And Lanate, using the Marsmon discussion as a case is problematic as it happened half a year before either Zwart or MedievalDukemon and technically we never actually reached a mutual consensus on policy at the time.

So while I would rather use Omegamon across the board for species pages if only to maintain internal consistency, I am willing to wait until more material becomes available. Chimera-gui (talk) 21:20, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * I wasn't putting it here as an argument; I was placing it as a response to Kryten's question where our last name argument was. Lanate (talk) 21:26, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, just wanted to note that we've had additional discussions since then. Chimera-gui (talk) 21:40, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm still confused. SnowGoburimon has definitely appeared in English materials before now, why do you keep saying that it was just now localized? Was it nameless in those previous appearances? 14:02, March 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * I mean that this is the first time that Bandai didn't default to using the Japanese name of SnowGoburimon and instead actually localized it as "SnowGoblimon" despite localizing Goburimon as "Goblimon" at least as early as Tamers, roughly sixteen years ago. Chimera-gui (talk) 17:05, March 15, 2017 (UTC)