User talk:Ned Scott

'''The fastest way to contact me is by AIM via the screen name "Ned Scott". You can also contact me via my Wikipedia talk page at Wikipedia:User talk:Ned Scott or by e-mailing ned at nedscott.com.'''

Thanks
Hi, Ned -- I'm glad you responded to Matthew in that Wikipedia discussion; I was getting tired of going back and forth with him. I'd be happy to help you out with this wiki... Please let me know if there's anything I can do! -- Danny (talk ) 21:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for granting me rollback rights. It means a lot. - Digi9346

Transwiki
I just transwiki'd two articles to this Wikia: Transwiki:List of Rookie Digimon (Part 1) and Transwiki:List of Rookie Digimon (Part 2), following AfDs at enwiki. I used the standard Wikimedia approach to transwiki, as you can see. However, I then noticed in Special:Recentchanges that you have been using Special:Import lately. So I wondered if you might like to do an export/import on these, or how you think Digimon Wikia is going to handle transwikis (rare though they are). Anyway, I'm writing to say that, if you would like to do it as an import, let me know and I'll temp undelete the two articles at enwiki to allow that. Splash-enwiki 15:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have a recent export of the article in XML format, and am just waiting to upload it (since it is larger than 2MBs I have to either chop it up and import it in a few pieces or get a Wikia tech to help me), but thank you for the offer. -- Ned Scott 15:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

about new ones
Hi, it's Kennethayes@en.wiki, just back from Mars.

Recently I'm adding in the new Digimon to the lists, e.g. Wingdramon. But I'm not sure if you are breaking the lists into articles. (like Akatorimon and Airdramon) So, shall I just write the words on the article page, or redirect them to the lists? Hope I can give you and the wiki a hand.

ps. article mode is good. K.Hayes 11:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I think we're going in the direction of individual articles for different digimon species. If you add them to the list, then have the article title redirect to the list, but if you make them an article (which is probably the best) you might still want to put a heading on the list with  so people who are looking for the Digimon via the list will know there's an article for it. And thank you for all the hard work! -- Ned Scott 04:47, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Greetings
Hey, Ned! My name's Imperialles, and I'm a Wikia Helper focusing on Entertainment-related wikis. I'll be spending some time on the Digimon Wiki, and would love to work with you to improve the site. Are there any specific areas that you'd like me to help out with? I also have some tips on how to increase traffic to the wiki&mdash;would you like to hear about that? Again, looking forward to working with you. --Imperialles 17:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A quick question&mdash;the articles I've read thus far have had an "out of universe" approach to prose. (Example: "Lucemon is a fictional character in the Digimon franchise.") Is this how it's supposed to be, or merely a remnant from Wikipedia? --Imperialles 17:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer. Right now I've been thinking we need better ways to advertise to drive-by editors about what can be done, or what special things this site offers (such as being able to write an article about a Digimon fan website, or episode articles). The front page is really bland right now, and could use a new layout. About the out-of-universe thing, personally, I'd prefer them to still follow the out-of-universe approach. -- Ned Scott 05:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

more Wikia help
Hi, Ned! Continuing from the topic of discussion on the Main Page, I just wanted to say I think it's great that the Wikipedia articles on Digimon are being salvaged here and that it's gotten some attention. I think there's some potential in bringing in a sustaining community here, and I'd like to help. We'll be featuring this wiki in a spotlight graphic that will appear on all the Wikia wikis over the next two weeks, so I wanted to make sure you knew what was up in case a lot of new people starting filtering in.

I have one question about the recent migration of material from WP to here. I noticed that all the individual Digimon characters used to have their own page, but that they've been redirected to lists. I've worked on a lot of Wikia wikis, and I've never seen this done before, so I hoped you could shed some light on that for me. Please feel free to reach me on my talk page here anytime. Thanks! —Scott ( talk ) 18:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * My reply. -- Ned Scott 23:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Ned. Sorry if I lost some links when I updated the look of the main page. I noticed a call to action on several discussion pages here that a sprucing up of the main page was in order, so I decided to be bold and spruce. With the spotlight now active on Wikia, there will be lots of new folks coming in to the wiki and the first thing they're going to see is the front page. Can you tell me the links that were missing from the new page so I can integrate them into a more aesthetic design? —Scott ( talk ) 17:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops, I meant to just merge those links back in, instead of a full revert. Sorry about that. -- Ned Scott 08:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Chat?
Hi, Ned! I just tried to catch you on AIM... looks like you're not online. I'd like to talk to you a bit about this wiki; I have some ideas that might help out a lot. It's kind of a complicated conversation, though, so it would be easier to have it in real-time rather than on wiki talk pages. Would you be free for a chat sometime? Just let me know when you'd be around -- I'm also on Skype. Thanks! -- Danny (talk ) 23:32, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted
I believe this article needs deleted, I would do it myself but I am not an administrator. Thanks. Cheers. DragonBallZ 22:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. -- Ned Scott 05:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, I am sure you would have found it anyway. Could you grant me rollback rights? I was going to ask to be a sysop, but I should have a little more time editing this wikia before I ask that. If you have any doubts about me  being trustworthy, I am a bureaucrat on Deckipedia. Thanks. Cheers. DragonBallZ 14:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, you did not have to move protect, I would not undo your action without a good solid reason, and if we disagreed after that, I would discuss it with you to work out a solution, and there is no solid reason for me to undo your action. Cheers. DragonBallZ 00:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I didn't think you would, I just thought it was odd that the main page wasn't move protected. I don't have bureaucrat access here, so I'd have to ask a Wikia staffer, but I wouldn't have any problems with you having rollback. -- Ned Scott 05:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * For some reason, I thought you were a bureaucrat. If there is any active bureaucrats, could you, or should I, contact them? Or you could just contact the staff. Which one? DragonBallZ 13:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Ned -- I saw your post to Angela on Central... I gave you bureaucrat status. Sorry, I figured you already had it! Let me know if there's anything else I can do -- I'll talk to you soon! -- Danny (talk ) 04:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! -- Ned Scott 04:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Bots
Do you know someone willing to set up a bot on a small wikia? DragonBallZ 19:54, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and thanks for giving me rollback! Cheers. DragonBallZ 19:54, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Pointing red links that have nothing to do with the subject of the wiki to point to Wikipedia. DragonBallZ 14:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You wouldn't mind doing it on a small wiki? DragonBallZ 13:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind at all. -- Ned Scott 10:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It is the wiki I am a bureaucrat on, the cards wiki. You wouldn't mind doing it on that wiki? DragonBallZ 18:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure thing, I might not be able to get to it right away, but I'd be glad to help out. If you want you can give me a specific set of articles to re-link, or I can work off of wikia:c:cards:Special:Wantedpages and try to filter out the non-card ones myself. -- Ned Scott 02:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Which ever would be better for you. I don't want you to have to go to a lot of trouble. DragonBallZ 02:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Nah, it's pretty easy once I got a list of words. -- Ned Scott 03:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So what do I need to do? DragonBallZ 03:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Nothing right now. I'll make a list of titles to be re-linked from wikia:c:cards:Special:Wantedpages, and then double check with you to make sure I didn't accidentally include a card-topic. -- Ned Scott 06:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you still up to doing it? Also, I noticed that MediaWiki:Licenses does not exist. Do you mind me creating it and making a couple of other changes in the MediaWiki namespace? DragonBallZ 19:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I can't edit the MediaWiki namespace. I guess I forgot. DragonBallZ 19:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I meant to leave you a message the other day because I realized that I almost forgot about it! Sorry about that. -- Ned Scott 19:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thats ok :) Thanks for doing it. DragonBallZ 22:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry I kind of stopped working on Digimon articles after the move - I've really gotten into the Devil May Cry wikia. I can try to start working here, if that's okay - what kind of things would you like me to work on, besides just cleaning up the lists?KrytenKoro 08:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No need to apologies, the Digimon articles have always been a somewhat slow moving process, even when they were all on Wikipedia. I myself have really only been active on checking for vandalism and obvious problems, since I've started working more in real life.


 * I do plan on outlining some longer term ideas I've had, like ways to leave notes and to-do's to help engage new editors and show them the correct way to do stuff. Wikia has some extra features that Wikipedia doesn't have installed, like a page creator that lets you fill in sections of the page, as well as having text fields to fill in for the info box, and I'm interested in seeing if we can use that.


 * As for the content itself, we have a ton of nice options available to us. It seems most of the species articles are being moved to individual articles, though I'd like to make a list view that would allow one to view more than one article at once. Kind of like what we have now, but with less items on each list. It would be automatic, changes to the page would only have to happen once and it would show up on both individual view and list view.


 * We can also make a bunch of new articles, like ones for Digimon fan websites, which we could even invite those websites to write (which would likely encourage them and their visitors to edit here in general). We can even create a separate "review" namespace, and let editors write their own reviews for movies, episodes, and products. Wikia has a built-in page rating system that would then allow readers to rate their reviews, so that the better reviews are easier to find.


 * And since we don't have as many image restrictions, I thought it might be interesting to explore an image-based navigation system for articles. Readers could view an evolution chart and navigate that way.


 * So right now I'm just kind of in an brain storm mode. I'm sure there's some specific tasks that we could use help with that I'm forgetting about, but like I said, no worries. I'll keep you posted if I think of anything else. -- Ned Scott 22:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * One thing I could think of - could I create a template which puts an article in the deletion category? Or do you already have one?KrytenKoro 06:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That would be fine with me. I've been meaning to make one, but wasn't sure on the wording. My best guess was something like a "proposed to be deleted" kind of thing, but feel free to go with whatever you think would work. -- Ned Scott 06:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I had to copy a lot of sub-templates and categories to do it, but I added the Template:Delete in the format it was in on the DMC wiki.KrytenKoro 06:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. -- Ned Scott 07:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also - are we splitting the digimon lists, or merging to them? I can start work on splitting them off if that's what we're trying to do, and then reformat them as redirect lists to the appropriate articles.KrytenKoro 07:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Splitting them seems to be the direction we're going in, though there's still "character" articles and "species" articles. -- Ned Scott 07:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Images
I know that the policy on images here are lax than most, but I think that MediaWiki:Licenses should exist so that fair-use can be chosen. Not a fair-use rational or anything, but just so that fair-use can be chosen when uploading a image. DragonBallZ 16:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

 ''[[Media:|This file]] is copyrighted. The individual who uploaded this work and first used it in an article, and subsequent persons who place it into articles, assert that this qualifies as fair use of the material under United States copyright law.

What do you think? DragonBallZ 00:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. -- Ned Scott 02:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * So this can be put on fair-use images so they have something that asserts fair-use? That is all that would need to go on them, correct? If so, I can start putting it on the fair-use images, but you would have to create MediaWiki:Licenses since that requires a sysop. You could just put:


 * Fairuse| This will be used in a way that qualifies as fair use under US law.

And whatever other license you think should be able to be selected, though most images here are fair-use. DragonBallZ 16:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * If you think it's a good idea then it's fine with me. It is mentioned in DigimonWiki:Copyrights that images are assumed to be fair use unless otherwise noted, but I'm not an expert on copyrights, and it would probably be a good idea to have an additional note. -- Ned Scott 07:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't want to come in and start changing things after they have been a certain way all this time. I just figured that it would abide by copyright laws more if there is a note on the image itself. But since it is mentioned in DigimonWiki:Copyrights, I think it would be fine the way it is :) Maybe I could mention a little more about fair-use in DigimonWiki:Copyrights, would you mind? DragonBallZ 15:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I was thinking about this, and I think there might be a MediaWiki page that would automatically place a notice on the image description page. Either way is fine with me. -- Ned Scott 21:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Need Help/expansin/DotDigimon
I recently created sections in the rookie digimon (Part 1) list for DotAgumon and DotFalcomon, but they are sorely lacking, they also lack a picture. i need help expanding these articles and creating ones for the DotMegas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.226.101 (talk • contribs)


 * I'll see what I can do, however I'm not very familiar with the game they come from. -- Ned Scott 21:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * the Digimon world series and thanks

Template code
Could you or another user please import the following templates from Wikipedia to the fashion wiki. I've tried doing this myself and have had no luck:


 * Template:Infobox Company
 * Template:Infobox Fashion designer
 * Template:Infobox Model
 * Template:Reflist
 * Template:Navbox
 * Template:Style.com

I'll let you know if I need any more templates imported (I probably will). I'm sorry I can't do more on my own. If you can recommend me to another user who can help with this I'll seek their help as well.--SGK 01:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! I'd do more on my own if I could. I appreciate your help.--SGK 23:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Admin rights on Fashion Wikia
You now have admin and bureaucrat rights on the Fashion wiki. I hope that this helps you.--SGK 17:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

New skin
Hi, Ned! Long time no type. I hope things are going well here -- anything interesting going on?

Have you seen the new Wikia skin? It's called Monaco, and it looks a lot more like Monobook-standard than the Quartz skin that Digimon is using right now. You can see it on Muppet Wiki and Marvel Database. People are generally happier with the new skin, and we've found that the flyout menus help to bring new readers deeper into the site's content. They've also recently made some improvements that makes Monaco the fastest-loading skin by far.

How would you feel about switching Digimon over to the new skin? -- Danny (talk ) 22:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks great to me. It's similar enough that the learning curve for those from other Wikis will have an easy time, and adds Wikia-only features, like page rating and such. -- Ned Scott 21:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Great! I'll switch it over. Thanks! -- Danny (talk ) 21:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I switched to Monaco, and I did some customization on MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar. (It may take a minute for the cache to clear, and the new menu to show up.) You can feel free to change the sidebar -- add categories, take 'em away, whatever. I've been looking at some data about the sidebar that suggests that the flyout menus really help to bring new readers further into the content on the site, so it's good to have the stuff up there that a new reader might be interested in looking at. -- Danny (talk ) 00:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Template help
Hi again. Do you think you could fix the Template:Navbox on The Wiki Wiki? I am having trouble getting it right. DragonBallZ 17:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got most of it working, but I still haven't figured out what's going on with Template:Tnavbar, which is actually something I was just trying to fix on the Fashion Wiki. -- Ned Scott 21:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the bot work for the cards wiki, I would rather have your help on a different wiki that involves importing if you haven't done anything yet on cards. And I have a question if you don't mind to answer. When Special:Exporting a page and then importing it on another wiki, how do you modify the usernames to append @www.wikiname.com or from www.wikiname.com to the usernames? DragonBallZ 12:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just open up the xml file that is created from Special:Export with a text editor and use a find/replace. Find all " " and replace with "@www.wikiname.com ", then save. -- Ned Scott 17:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Could you also tell me how to customize the Edit bar (toolbar) that is at the top of each page when you edit? Like the one here has QPreview at the beginning. I can't figure out what MediaWiki page to go to? DragonBallZ 23:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, just added that one today :D They're user scripts that I've semi-recently discovered at Wikipedia at wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts. I haven't tried most of them to see if they work without modification on Wikia, but a lot of them seem to work. The instructions on most of them will say to place the code in a user-specific monobook.js (or other skin) file, but to apply the script to everyone you just need to place the same script into MediaWiki:Common.js. In Digimon Wiki's Common.js file you'll see a lot of other stuff too, which I copied over from Wikipedia (wikipedia:MediaWiki:Common.js) for compatibility on some table classes, as well as some known bug fixes for certain web browsers.


 * Specific to customizing the tool bar, there's QPreview at wikipedia:User:Alex Smotrov/qpreview.js (with a nice help page) and wikipedia:User:MarkS/Extra edit buttons, which will let you change just about all of the buttons, but I haven't tried that one yet on Wikia.


 * I'm on my lunch break (more like dinner break at this point) right now, but when I get home I can go into better detail. -- Ned Scott 01:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. Thanks for explaining. DragonBallZ 04:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Speculation on Couplings
You know, I had a talk with Blazing Chaos, and we agreed that you putting the Speculation section on both Kari's and TK's pages was not such a good idea. He noted that even if it was marked, viewers to the wiki would regard it as fact. I am suggesting that you create a new wiki for this speculation. This new wiki could include also why they would be together, add evidence from specific episodes to it. Also, this could be for other couplings as well. If you can't do a Daikari or some other coupling for some reason or other, I am sure there are those out there (including myself) that will gladly do so. There can be mulitple articles for different couplings. I can provide video/pics on each scene when one is found.

As I am a Fanfiction writer as well (along with Blazing Chaos), I know the advantages of doing such a thing. It will promote DigimonWiki to those Digimon FF writers out there as another added bonus. Those who prefer not to watch the show all over again will come flocking here. I have read above that you had a few problems on DigimonWiki not being popular enough. This could be one of the solutions. Last I counted, there is over 600 writers on the Digimon section of Fanfiction.net alone, perhaps even 1000.

Another reason for this is because if you put such a thing on the main page of Kari and TK, Daikari, or any other fans of other kinds of couplings would be upset. This may even be the reason for the vandalisms. I would recommend (this is only recommendation, don't take it too harshly) that you keep the info on Kari's and TK's pages as neutral as possible, and other character pages for that matter. Keep all coupling stuff, like how Kari likes TK 'more- a lot more'(I'm quoting here) to the new wiki.

Please tell me your decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Digi9346 (talk • contribs)


 * I think Digi9346 means a series of wiki pages, rather than a new wiki. I think there would be benefits to this, allowing a coupling page for any coupling so long as someone is willing to write them. This would keep disputes out of the rest of the wiki. --Blazing Chaos 14:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Putting the info on another page sounds like a great idea to me. The logic behind allowing it in some form is that people try to insert that speculation on almost a daily basis on the Wikipedia side. While it doesn't happen as often here on Digimon Wiki, we also don't have as many people to revert it. It's one of those "why fight it" things, as long as there's an acceptable solution. So yeah, keeping speculation off of the main articles and putting them somewhere else is totally fine with me. Heck, personally I wouldn't mind taking it out altogether, I just didn't want to seem too harsh on those who wanted to include the info. -- Ned Scott 16:50, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Fashion wiki help
I noticed you haven't edited the fashion wiki for a while. Were you able to access the files you needed with the admin rights I granted you? I still need your help.--SGK 17:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll still be able to help import the rest of the templates (and anything else you might need help with), I'm just a bit short on wiki-time (I'm also a bit disorganized when it comes to these things, so I'm not always very efficient when it comes to what tasks I have "pending"). Rest assure, I haven't forgotten you :) I'll definitely try to get some more stuff done tonight when I get home from work. -- Ned Scott 20:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much!--SGK 21:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to say thank you again for helping me. I appreciate it very much.--SGK 17:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Help
Hey Ned Scott, I need some help. Do you think you can create a link table for the Couplings page? - Digi9346
 * Like have a grid with all the girls on one side, and all the boys on another, and be able to click where they intersect? -- Ned Scott 07:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Just put each coupling as a different link. I think it is easier for everyone this way. - Digi9346
 * You mean something like this? -- Ned Scott 08:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I was talking about the link template that is on almost all the important pages. Like this


 * Sorry I wasn't clear enough. I guess I am not so good at expressing myself. - Digi9346
 * Ah, no problem. Link added. -- Ned Scott 09:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And you can edit any template by going to the page Template:Template_Name (the name found between the 🇦🇩's ), or you can get a list of links for all templates that a page uses by clicking on "edit this page" (it won't work with section editing, for some reason). -- Ned Scott 09:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank You and Two Questions
Thanks for giving me rollback rights; I only just got around to thanking you. I feel honored. :D But I also have a question. Well, two questions. First, is there a specific guideline for the species pages? I feel like there's a bit of variation here and there over what's being done with things such as what to put for link names, how to write attack names and various translations, how exactly to format them, etc. and I feel like it would be a great help to just have one guideline to create a more uniform look. And I also have a question on links. Take Agumon for example. It links to Adventure's Agumon. Eventually, if every digimon gets its own page, would Agumon link to its species page rather than a character page? I think that's easier on coding rather than having to find which list it's on. Lanate 03:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So far there's just a basic draft for our guidelines at DW:GENERAL. I've been meaning to expand them a bit and to find some clean examples that would be easy to follow. If you have any ideas for what should be included feel free to edit the guideline itself, or just throw the ideas out there on the talk page.


 * As we split the species digimon off of the lists they will probably take the common name, and the character digimon will be moved using the move tab (to preserve the edit history) to Digimon (whatever). That way the species entry can also act as a main page for that Digimon, and each character of that species will have a link on that page. -- Ned Scott 05:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't suppose...
Hi, I'm new to this Wiki, and I was just wondering if you could allow me to upload images to the Wiki. The only reason I ask is because I have this really neat program which allows me to make, improve, or sketch my own images. Please, I design images all the time for friends and other people. I know your worried about the licensing and I promise never to use images that aren't mine. Oh, do you mind if I use images on the Wiki, just so I don't have to start form scratch. I completely understand if you refuse. I was just curious. Thanks. Phoenixmon 19:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)Phoenixmon


 * Image uploading is disabled only for the first few days (I think five or six) on new accounts, then you'll be able to upload. This is simply done to prevent image vandalism. Right now I don't have a way to override the wait time, though I've been meaning to change that. If there's anything you want to upload before your autoconfirm time feel free to e-mail me at "ned (at) nedscott.com" (just replace the (at) with @) and I can upload them for you. Out of curiosity, what kind of images did you have in mind for uploading? -- Ned Scott 04:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Images that require editing such as... dark digimon I can filter out the color and replace with black and such. If you ever are looking for image designing just look for me.

-James 20:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)phoenixmon


 * I hope you don't mind me butting in, but I'd rather not have recolors mistaken for official art (which I know is happening at the moment). Even if it's your renditioning of a digimon, I'd rather you create a fan art section for it instead.  Lanate 22:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm included to agree. Images appearing for real Digimon should be official pictures. -- Ned Scott 22:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean, for example, you know how you don't have a picture of Dark Gabumon? Well I would take Gabumon and recolor it dark? understand? Of coarse I'm not going to make fake digimon.
 * Actually, that's the very situation I'm referring to. We should not recolor pictures for digimon we are missing; we should, instead, find them.  Otherwise, who can say that it's actually the digimon?  If you have a reference for the digimon to color from, well, then you can upload that instead no matter how grimy the image.  Do you see what I'm saying? Lanate 04:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I see what your saying, and maybe My idea easn't the best. But another thing I can do is writing the edges on some of the pictures, so only the digimon shows not the background. I can reposition the pictures into different stances (this is a very complicated process which I turn it into a 3-D image and reposition it), or just plain edit images. I can also take out writing on images from where ever you got it from. Have an more questions? It is hard to describe all I can do. You have to see it in the pictures I upload.
 * I have an idea, try going to DMA.net. I have been quite busy as of late. But most of the pics I upload come from there. There are some pics that the owner of the site created. You can edit them to remove his/her signature and replace the black screen with a white, but just acknowledge the source. I am quite sure the owner wouldn't mind (I think) once you say they come from his/her website. - Digi9346

Gizmon to Gizumon
The official English name for Gizmon seems to be Gizumon (Episode 25 has Gizmon: XT as Gizumon-XT), so is it possible to move the Gizmon page to Gizumon? The Gizumon page exists already, linking to the List of Rookie Digimon as a redirect, so I can't do it myself. Lanate 21:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Ned Scott 21:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

HELP
Hi, as I may have mentioned... I am a newbie and is in the process of making my own Wiki. There is only one thing I REALLY don't understand, how do "templates" work, like the ones you use for the digimon info boxes! Please I'm desperate! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoenixmon (talk • contribs)
 * The best place to lean about templates is probably on Wikipedia's help pages, such as wikipedia:Help:Infobox, wikipedia:Help:Template, and wikipedia:Help:Table. Do you need specific help with one of the infoboxes here on Digimon Wiki? -- Ned Scott 04:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I just want step by step instruction on how to make a template in vivid detail, for example, when you make a template it states that the title should be template: but it won't accept that title. Help. -James 19:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The title needs to start with Template:, but it needs a name in addition to that, like Template:Example. Like I said, those pages on Wikipedia are going to be your best bet if you want to know the in's and out's of templates. -- Ned Scott 06:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Mission Guide
I was thinking of making a mission guide for Digimon world: Dawn/ Dusk, but I don't know exactly how to make a new article and link it to Dawn/ dusk main article. Plus I don't know all the quests in Dusk. I was told you could help me out. Can you? With all due respect, Gazimon X 18:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the format here is, but on the DMC wiki we have one article called "Devil May Cry 4 Walkthrough", with links to each mission, and then we create the individual mission articles by writing them on "Devil May Cry 4 Walkthrough/Mission 01". There is also an infobox template we use that links to the previous and next missions.KrytenKoro 23:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, probably the best solution would be to see what other gaming-related wikis have done and follow their format. -- Ned Scott 05:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Digimon Tamers: Brave Tamer
Can I cite its evolutions as a main source? I've been one of the advocates for saying that gameplay evolutions should not be counted, but Brave Tamer's characters have one choice for evolution, and it's the canon one. Jenrya's Terriermon will evolve first into Galgomon then Rapidmon then Saint Galgomon. That said, Monodramon's line is Monodramon -> Strikedramon -> Cyberdramon -> Justimon/Zeed Millenniumon. Can I cite the Monodramon -> Strikedramon -> Cyberdramon link with Brave Tamer? I believe it also features the ultimate/mega forms of the other Chosen Children as well. Let me finish playing through the game (it's remarkably slow to level up) and I'll get back to you on whether I can confirm the Lillymon -> Rosemon link and otherwise. Lanate 00:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds fine to me. -- Ned Scott 05:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There will be no need for that. I can guarantee that Lillymon Digivolves into Rosemon in the game.

In fact, I have the list:
 * MagnaAngemon - Seraphimon
 * Lilymon - Rosemon
 * MegaKabuterimon - HeraclesKabuterimon
 * Zudomon - Plesiomon
 * Garudamon - Phoenixmon
 * Angewomon - Magnadramon
 * Sylphimon - Valkyrimon
 * Shakkoumon - Vikemon
 * Stingmon - Dinobeemon - GranKuwagamon

These are the only evolutions. The rest remain default as well. Hope this helps - Digi9346

Data Squad pages
Someone halfway split most of the character articles off. I tried to finish it, and had to further redirect it to have them under their full names (and for some of the Digimon, to specify the season), so there may be some double redirects. I'll try to fix them as I come across them, but I'm just notifying you here, so that if the double redirect finder is an admin tool on this wiki, you can deal with them.KrytenKoro 03:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

RfA
I was wondering if, now that I'm here for good, I could become an administrator. Also, I'd like to nominate User:Lanate for adminship as well, as (s?)he seems to be a devoted and extraordinary editor.KrytenKoro 06:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no objections to that, but just remember that being an admin is just about access to tools, and it's not required to make decisions nor does it have any real status attached to it. There really isn't a lot of admin actions that need to be done on a day to day basis. Still, it is a good idea to get some more active admins, especially since I've become more busy in real life and can't spend as much time as I would like here on Digimon Wiki.


 * Blocking should be a last resort, unless it's an obvious vandal (the word vandal meaning someone who intentionally acts to hurt the wiki, rather than someone who is disagreeing with something or is hard to get along with).


 * Deletion should be used with caution too. Always check the page history to see if there was ever any content on a page before deleting it. Very often we keep page histories because the content is used in another article, and a record of user contribs is needed for GFDL reasons.


 * I'm sure there's a lot more to be said about adminship, but since there really isn't any formal way to do this, I'll probably just give you advice as you go along. Wikipedia has some nice things written up at wikipedia:Wikipedia:Advice for new administrators, wikipedia:Wikipedia:New admin school and wikipedia:Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide. Feel free to ask me for help about anything, big or small. -- Ned Scott 05:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm going to pause on this for a moment. Nothing personal or anything like that, but there's a couple of things I want to check on first. -- Ned Scott 06:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Of course. Also, if it influences your decision at all (positive or negative), I'm an admin on DMC wiki. What about Lanate, though?KrytenKoro 16:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It was nice to inform me. >.<  While I wouldn't mind adminship, it's up to you.  I'd be happy staying as a regular editor too.  It's just fun editing here, that's all.  :D  P.S. I'm a guy.  Lanate 20:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow. I can't believe I forgot to thank you for adminship. So...Doomo Arigaato, Mister Ned-botto. That's probably not as funny as I thought it was... KrytenKoro 13:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No problemo :) -- Ned Scott 20:33, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Help
I'm trying to list all the Digimon that appear in Next, but I can't identify a few of them:



If you can help at all, thanks.KrytenKoro 07:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

22-21 looks like Koromon to me.204.147.20.1 19:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Koromon has those visible teeth, though.KrytenKoro 19:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

But Elecmon has stripes, doesn't it? It's probably Koromon, but Elecmon is a possibility. With all due respect, Gazimon X 16:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

trying to help
User:Rose21 22 May 2008 Sorry didnt know where to put this X_X But I wanted to update some information on Black Gatomon and give her a full page of her own the way it is for regular gatomon, I would do it but I cant seem to figure it out (new to wiki in general) however I already have the page scripted, just needa know how to add it. And if you want to see what It is I want to add, my user page is currently the black gatomon page I want to add. ---

Manual of Style
Me and Lanate were discussing formatting in order to have a standardized style, and not get into revert wars, and it evolved into an MoS draft. I'm still working on it and was going to pass it around for approval once I got done, but since you have way more experience in these kind of things, I was hoping for any input or additions you came up with.KrytenKoro 00:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked a little bit at it the other day, and it looks like it's coming together very nicely. When I have some time I'll throw in my own two cents here and there. Good work, you two. -- Ned Scott 05:58, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Game info
How much info do we want to have in a game's appearance section?

Obviously, we want info on if they appeared as a character, and it should make sense to list if they appeared as an enemy and where.

Some info from Digimon World Dawn/Dusk, which should we include:


 * 1) Egg type for In-Trainings
 * 2) Digi-Memory
 * 3) Element (usually determines weakness as well)
 * 4) Normal Techniques
 * 5) Signature Technique (Element, MP, Effect, Area, Selectable?)
 * 6) Number
 * 7) Type of fighter
 * 8) Dwelling
 * 9) Traits
 * 10) Digivolutions (Normal, Armor, DNA, Requirements: Level, Stats, Digi-memory Experience)

KrytenKoro 05:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * When you say a game's appearance section, do you mean in a basic listing like Otamamon? -- Ned Scott 05:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Pretty much, how much detail do we want to cover?KrytenKoro 06:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I could imagine us going into very detailed game guides, if people wanted, but I guess that level of detail would be on another page. What you have listed to include seems reasonable. It's hard for me to say, because I've never played any of the video games. -- Ned Scott 06:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was just listing all the info available in the games I have access to. Personally, I would suggest digivolution routes, they're habitat, techniques, element, and digi-memory, as those are easy to explain and not so much a part of the game's unique gameplay. But it wouldn't be too difficult to work the others in.KrytenKoro 22:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
What should be done about this?KrytenKoro 05:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If it's already been reverted, then nothing, really. It is possible to delete individual revisions of an article, but it's normally not worth the effort. Since a lot of article history was imported from Wikipedia, we already have past vandalism versions of articles somewhere in the history. It also makes it easier for non-admins to notice a continual problem if they see the same IP making bad edits. -- Ned Scott 05:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I meant what should be done about the editor who did it, since it's one of those edits that is quite plainly an insertion of false information. It might be that they thought this was a fanfic site, though, so they might just need a warning. I'm just not sure what the protocol is on such things yet.KrytenKoro 22:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Since it's an IP it's sometimes hard to tell if they'll be assigned that same IP when they visit the wiki another day. If their IP changes often, they won't notice a message on their talk page the next day. Since this IP has an edit from earlier this month, it would appear their ISP is somewhat static, so we can be somewhat sure that they'd get a message if we left it for them. Personally I only bother with a message if it appears to really be intentional vandalism, or it has occurred more than once, or sometimes I'll leave a message if I think they just need help. If you feel like leaving him one, then there's no harm in that. I'd just be friendly and calm.


 * Normally I don't block IPs, since like I said above, depending on their ISP they might change to a different IP number somewhat often, or it's an IP of a shared connection, like a school/office/etc. When it does seem to be the same person over a period of time, and they don't stop, then it would be time for a block, but even then it shouldn't be for a long time. Most of our vandalism edits seem to be from people that just sort of driving on by, and don't become repeat offenders. -- Ned Scott 05:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Digimon Card Menu
The individual card images seem to have gone offline. We could reroute the links to the tiny "preview thumbnails", or we could look for an alternative site to use. However, the only other card album I know of doesn't have most of the old ones.KrytenKoro 22:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

One Piece reference which I've never noticed before
In Chapter V-18 of V-Tamer 01, page 15, Zeromaru asks Cyclonemon (the stretchy arm guy) "Did you eat a Gum-Gum Fruit?"

This is so incredibly awesome that we have to mention this somewhere, but how?KrytenKoro 08:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * haha, nice find :) -- Ned Scott 08:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

List of digimon
I just blocked an IP for a day for the blatant vandalism on the list article (creating the page as "Fagot: Everything you need to know about Digimon"), as it seemed to be beyond "tolerable" vandalism. I only blocked him for one day, and he probably won't even notice, but I didn't think that kind of behavior should be tolerated. If this was an inappropriate decision, please tell me.KrytenKoro 03:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh that's fine. One day is nothing, and the IP comes up as a Comcast IP, which are static for months at a time, so there's very little chance that someone else would be effected by the block. -- Ned Scott 04:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

D-Terminal
I know this has a lot of information, especially on evolutions, though I have no access to it. Should it be used as a source, and if so, how should we get access to it?KrytenKoro 03:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean the toy that has the index of Digimon? If so, I guess it would be ok to use as a source. I don't have access to it either, but we can probably find someone who does that would be open to helping us out. -- Ned Scott 21:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually have the English version of the toy somewhere. Once I have time, I can dig it out and go through it, if you wish. Lanate 03:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Splitting pages
Gah, maybe I should just set up a user page "User:KrytenKoro/Questions for Ned".

Anyway, am I splitting off pages correctly? I'm pretty much just copy pasting the list data to what used to be a redirect. Is this acceptable, or is there some better, more-complicated way I should be doing it?KrytenKoro 06:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's pretty much it. If you link which list the info came from in the edit summary, that would be good too. Sometimes the redirects have past content that might also be useful that didn't make it to the lists, but it's actually pretty rare. -- Ned Scott 21:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Userboxes
I'm thinking it would be a good idea to start making userboxes, as well as the organizer template. We would need to set up the Userboxes and Template:Userboxbottom templates, which I can't figure out how to do.

It would also be great if we could set up a box generator, since the most obvious userbox would be something like "This user is a (Digimon) Tamer". I definitely have no idea how to do this, but if doable it would allow the user to pick the name of the Digimon, link it to the Digimon's article, and maybe even allow them to pick a picture for it - maybe it automatically uses the infobox picture, maybe their own upload.

Other ideas I can think of would be "This tamer supports (Coupling)", "This tamer has/has beaten (game).", and various "This tamer likes/dislikes (game/character/series)". A userbox for admins or edit counts might be interesting as well, if we can choose a good character/digimon to represent it (maybe Yggdrasil or the Sovereigns? "This user is a god of this Digital World").

My computer's currently inoperable, so I'm having to use one that makes typing difficult, but I will try to work on a few of these. Oh! We should also set up Digimon Wiki/Userboxes for a listing of all created userboxes, and link it from the table of contents to the right.KrytenKoro 22:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

List of characters in the Digimon World series
I moved this over from List of characters in the Digimon World series, but realized that you would probably want to preserve their edit history. So, go ahead and delete it (the edits I made here have also been made over there), and then do the special move thing. Thanks!KrytenKoro 01:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hybrids
Please see User_talk:KrytenKoro.KrytenKoro 08:14, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Character vs. Species Infoboxes
I've noticed a curious discrepency that seems intentionally in place, although the reasoning escapes me. Why is there completely different information in infoboxes on species pages (e.g. Biyomon) compared to character pages (e.g. Biyomon (Adventure)?

What I am referring to is how on Biyomon you have 'Appears In/Voice Actor(s)/Partner(s)/Digivolves From/Digivolves To/Attribute/Type/Family' whilst Biyomon (Adventure) has far less, only containing 'Voice Actor(s)/Partner(s)/Digivolution'. Now, obviously certain things are suited to only one of the two pages, Voice Actors or Partners for example (although oddly that appears on both), but why are type, family and attribute not included on the character page? Having to jump back and forth between huge lists of Digimon and the character pages merely to look up details that are still relevant to the character pages. Also, I find it odd that 'Level' doesn't appear on either, and is only alluded to on the character page by which level receives an emboldened link. On list pages, the page title has to be looked to to see what the level is.

Of course, some of this data will appear in the textual descriptions, but not always. If there is a legitimate reason for why this is this way, I'll probably understand (and I have a nagging suspicion that it is a remnant from Wikipedia templates), but it just seems odd right now.

The Biyomon page also has several odd redirects to it from the later forms, Birdramon and Garudamon, despite those species having their own pages.

Perhaps the 'list' style of digivolution information on the character pages would be more useful on the species pages as well as opposed to the current linear system?

Thoughts? --Blazing Chaos 21:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Partners should probably only be on the character infobox, since it is not so relevant in the species article, though I can see reasons for having it there. (Such as if a reader is interested in what kind of tamers have had a Biyomon)


 * Voice Actors, however, is definitely appropriate to both pages, as the species article would also cover Biyomon's that did not appear as partner's or major characters - like in Frontier.


 * Type, Family, and Attribute should be included on both, if those stats have been verified for both. Most of these statistics are based off of versions of the Digimon from the cards or games, and there is ample evidence of some partner Digimon having different stats from the species. However, this data is also generally confirmed from the Analyzer screens or readings, so it should be possible to add. I actually had/have a document translating all the analyzer screens, so we could add the known info for that.


 * The odd redirects are due to wikipedia simply listing the characters as Biyomon, instead of Biyomon (Adventure), something which has always annoyed me and that we're working on fixing. Rerouting it to the list article, or simply copy-pasting the info from the list article and creating a new "Birdramon" article would actually be really helpful.


 * The "Level" bit is covered by a category on the species article, and is amply covered on the character article, though now that we're re-splitting articles we should have a space for it in the infobox, for species articles.


 * The list style of digivolution - are you talking about that in the infobox, or the digimon included on the page? For the first, "Digivolves to/from" is the best we can do, because almost no Digimon have "absolutely stable" digivolution lines - even Agumon can digivolve to five or so different Champion's, and GeoGreymon can canonically digivolve from both original and New Agumon. Same for the second.KrytenKoro 22:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I did mention that Partners would be best suited on the character page mainly, although I can see your point too. To be honest, what's wrong with simply noting any discrepancies between species versions?


 * I still think that putting the level details in infoboxes is a good idea. Seems a bit pointless lacking it for some reason and just assuming that it's clear enough for the text. In a situation like this, I'd say that duplication in some cases would be better than no info in some cases.


 * I suppose there are some situations where digivolution lines are too cloudy, but again I have to mention how simply including all of the permutations would, in most cases (and I stress 'most', there are probably one or two digimon who can digivolve/dedigivolve to a dozen or more alternatives), separated by slashes, make wiki navigation a lot easier and save a fair bit of browsing time.


 * Out of curiosity, why have we started replying to talk page comments on the commenters page instead of the (in my opinion far more logical) usual system of simply adding replies below? It's got to be baffling for anyone reading a talk page to see how a discussion progresses when it just vanishes.


 * Cheers, --Blazing Chaos 22:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm used to doing it 'pedia style, where you go back and forth so that they get the "you've got wiki-spam!" message. I agree with your first two points (what would be the discrepancies for partners, though?), but there's simply too much branching (and arguing about cases like Lopmon>Turuiemon), that it would seem to be inviting a barrel of monkeys to do full lines like is done in the character articles. For example, just look at Agumon's possible digivolutions, just to a champion - and all of those are in manga or anime. Once the splitting is complete and the infoboxes corrected, it should be easy enough just to go keep clicking on "digivolves to", like was done on Megchan's Digidex.KrytenKoro 08:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair doos.

L"o"wemon
Do we have any source for this spelling? I'm not sure I ever saw it in print, but I was sure it was spelled Loewemon and JagerLoewemon.KrytenKoro 08:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Try here. It lists most (if not all) of the changes from original to dub names. Just go to the Hybirds section after the Ultimates one. - Digi9346 08:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * According to that list, it's still Loewemon, though Bandai has used Loweemon on it's toys. I'm going to start removing all instences of "Lowemon".

Also, do we have a dub source for "Koji" or "Koichi" instead of "Kouji" and "Kouichi"?KrytenKoro 01:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Even "storyline game digivolutions only" comes back to bits us in the keister
Hey! Digimon World Dawn/Dusk have the degeneration of every Digimon in your home city at the start of the game (Except Neemon, for some reason. He even comments that it's weird). Now, these are storyline, and relatively stable, but they all follow the game's digivolution routes, meaning we have a lot of "weird" digivolutions. I have them all listed for Dusk, and most of them shouldn't be too much trouble, but I just wanted to get your view on it before I started adding them.

Also: Lanate has already mentioned this, but the in-game "Digidex" explicitly says many Digimon digivolve from other Digimon, or are subspecies, and lists both the official names for the weapons of many of them, and several of their "Titles" (like Ogremon's "Digimon Hunter"). These digivolutions are already pretty much accepted, so the only problem is that many of them are the same as those on win ratio cards, etc. Do storyline VG evo's have higher "authority" than the cards, meaning I should start replacing card refs with DWD refs?KrytenKoro 00:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure, but I'm starting to think that we should expand the infobox so that we can separate each video game/manga/anime evolution into it's own sub-box, even if the have the same basic info. Bandai has different people working on different products, and I'm guessing they don't have to follow each other when they make a new product. So they might take some, most, or all of one product's evolution data and use it, and possibly add something else. We can only really say what we know is true for a specific product, and then possibly make a fair statement that one could assume common data, but not with 100% certainty. -- Ned Scott 04:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Main Page Transition
Hi Ned!

My name is Nathan and I'm a Wikia Helper as well as an Administrator on the Marvel and DC Databases. In order to help you guys transition to the new style of Main Page that is needed to support upcoming ads, I've created a draft of your main page in the new style. Are you able to implement the change, or did you have something different in mind? I left this message for KrytenKoro as well, since you two seem to be the most active admins.

Thanks! :)

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 19:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That looks fine to me, and I've made the edit. We'll hopefully be updating the main page with a better one soon, so are there any particular things we should keep in mind when coming up with a new layout? I assume this is just about the new ad box that will be on the upper right hand corner, and that we'd just need to use a layout that would look good with the box there. -- Ned Scott 21:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, if you look at my layout, there's some special tags named '', '', and '' . The only requirements are that the right column comes first, then an end column, then the left, then the end column.  Everything else can be changed, but those have to stick for the ads not to break the page.  Feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you have questions or get stuck.  Good luck! :)


 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 18:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

ChaosGigaSeadramon
Why I can't upload any picture? Could u help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOgudomon (talk • contribs)

I found ChaosGigaSeadramon and ChaosBlackWarGreymon X data in some sites that I forgot their address. But I can't add their pictures cuz' my account still new —Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOgudomon (talk • contribs)


 * To protect against vandalism, new accounts have a wait of four days before being able to upload pictures. Do you have a url you could link to? -- Ned Scott 09:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I told you before. But I've saved their pictures at Photobucket.com. You can just search them

LordOgudomon