Fan talk:Relationships/Archive 1

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Hey, what doing with this page? It have only the name of the tamers in the differents Digimon seasons...
 * That's because it's only about the Tamers/DigiDestined of each season. Read the first line of the article. Rad140 Vandals have created some of the biggest disasters and most horrid things to have ever existed  (Message) 00:32, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Couplings
Could we still have a link to the old couplings page in case people still want to see them? You do understand I'm going to have to sick my  Gatomon on you, right?  23:25, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I can't do that. Those coupling pages are in a writing style not approved of on the wiki, and it is not up to standards at all. You can always check the page history from pre-deletion (and it seems someone's already doing that and copy-pasting that info into the new pages, which I do not approve of). Only dead fish go with the flow. 01:15, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

old pages
We should go back to the old couple pages they had more information about relationships and stuff.
 * Read the above section; they weren't in the appropriate style and far too prone to speculation and shipping-bias. Lanate (talk) 06:18, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Bias
I think I have something against this idea, for the simple fact that it's far to easy to get too hot-headed over couplings. I think there should be a general guideline: don't remove an entire page. Place your arguments on the discussion page and talk there, rather than simply removing it or placing stuff in the code, because it leads to editing wars and the downfall of this page. Lanate 03:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Another possible idea could be a "counter argument" page for each coupling, so everyone would be able to have their say, without to go back and forth on the same page. -- Ned Scott 06:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Validity
I think there should be guidelines like this (these aren't official; they're my opinions)

1. There should be enough evidence to fill an entire page (i.e. Sorato/Takari pages as an example)

2. Couple is valid ONLY IF there is enough evidence of a two-way couple

3. It should be treated in a formal manner with canon examples of affection and not just the "they have similar evolutions" argument

Counter-argument is good. But the thing is that this is a wiki. Wikis are meant to be informative and consistent. Neither of which seems to be happening here.

(For your information I did NOT set up the Takari/Sorato articles.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.66.248 (talk • contribs)


 * Hmm, I disagree on all points but 3. I think we just need to see what is real evidence (note that there is no such thing as "an entire page" on the internet, and what isn't, rather than laying down judgements on particular couples (which would be against the point of it). I agree that the "same crests" or "their digimon are similar" arguments are complete nonsense however.


 * Who decides what is 'enough evidence' anyhow? --Blazing Chaos 20:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I should think that, "actually happened" would be enough evidence - thus Tai and Sora (at least dating), Sora and Matt (permanent, but damnit, I hate that one), Mimi and Michael, Ken and Yolei. I've heard something that the original Japanese ending also had T.K. and Kari, but that seems like an awful big mistranslation for the American version.
 * Seeing as we know what actually happened for most of these, I think the pages should be rewritten to be about the fangroups who espoused these pairings - that "this is why they believed it", and perhaps even trivia if the group did something else, like petitions, etc. As it is now, it's like the wiki is trying to convince readers of things blatantly false.
 * That's just for Adventure though. The other seasons were smart enough to not pull crap like that on us.KrytenKoro 18:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, since apparently the "explain why the fans came up with it" idea didn't fly, can I start trimming the articles that only present one-way crushes (like Daikari), and deleting the ones that are completely empty? I really don't think some of these should just be thrown up there as templates, with little to no effort to actually explain them (like Henry & Jeri - what the hell?). And I know it will probably never be listened to, but can we ask that the "evidence" actually show romantic inclinations, and not merely be friendship or philos?KrytenKoro 05:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you're going to start a lot of problems if you start trimming pages and cutting couples to your whims. In my opinion, so long as there is evidence (beyond "OMG aren't they kawaii together?!"), there can be a page. Becoming judgemental over couplings is a bad move. --Blazing Chaos 19:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Except that I'm specifically asking if I can remove the ones that present no actual evidence for a mutual relationship. Empty pages are actually expressly denied by the earlier consensus, and again, the point of these pages is to be an "&", not "one character gets the other against their will".KrytenKoro 04:46, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Slash?
I write and read band-fiction, specificly band-slash (however, not anime fan-fiction or yuri/yaoi,) and therefore have a rather biased eye for homosexual pairings. I am also rather shy and awkward about editing wikis (aside from on encylopedia dramatica, but that is a different story) so I probably will never contribute to this, but I sill have to ask: Would it be alright to add plausible homosexual pairings, with evidence/why the fans of the 'ship believe it exists? Rock.n.Roll.Vietnam 01:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say that stuff like Taichi & Yamato, or Kazu & Kenta could make a valid argument - while in the first case it is eventually proven false, there does seem to be a fair few connections with some of them. I don't know what the other editors think, but it should be okay as long as it's not something out there like "Yamato & Takeru". Honestly, I'd wish some of these pages would acknowledge (for both hetero- and homo- pairings) that not all affection or love is erotic, though these are slash-fan articles we're talking about.KrytenKoro 05:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * YOU SICKO!!!ENCYCLOPEDIA DRAMATICA MAKE DIGIMON LOOK LIKE A PERVERTED SHOW. HOW COULD YOU BETRAY THE WIKI!!!
 * Excuse me? Elaborate. Lanate (talk) 15:54, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

It's complicated.....BUT STILL!!!!!!!

Favorite couplings of the user
I have question: can users write their favorite couplings in their pages, even if they are fan-made or crossover? Leader Vladimir
 * Being the one who started the pages, I would not recommend it, as there is no evidence of such couplings. Fan-made and crossover kinds are only allowed in Fanfiction. Unless you can find evidence other than 'they look good/cute together', please do not. - Digi9346 22:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, well, at least can users write in their pages canon couplings they like/don't like and the reason(s) they like/don't like them? Leader Vladimir
 * You mean like, have users say if they personally like the couplings or not, in the article? I'm not so sure about that. It would be ok on the talk page, or if you wanted to write up a little rant about it on your user page or a user sub-page. We will probably explore some way to let editors write reviews of games and episodes, so that could be another option as well. -- Ned Scott 01:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ooh, I like the reviews for episodes and games idea. This could definitely expand the wiki in a good way, particularly if there were to be several different people doing various reviews and not just one. Perhaps something for a separate debate? --Blazing Chaos 19:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No I don't mean a rant. But if they put their reasons, it's possible it would lead to a rant. After all, it's just a matter of opinion whether they like the coupling or not. How about they put their favorite couplings (reasons as optional), along with other stuff? You know, characters, episodes, seasons, etc. Leader Vladimir


 * The answer is no, unless you're limiting it to YOUR OWN USER PAGE and not the actual page. Only dead fish go with the flow. 19:22, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Proposed guideline
Starting a thread for discussion on the proposed guideline at DigimonWiki:Coupling guidelines. Feel free to give any thoughts you have on the matter, such as what other things to note, if you agree or disagree with anything listed, etc. -- Ned Scott 07:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions
From Dakari talk page:

Notes that one character says one name first also seem to be a bit superfluous - relationships are built on much more than who you view as the leader of the group. I would also include sitting together as mere coincidence, though I know it does sometimes mean something. Not much, but something.

Most moments like [the team cheering Davis during the soccer game], where the whole team is actually cheering on one member, should not be misrepresented as evidence of a relationship unless something special, like a hug or something like "You were cute!", "You're my hero!" etc. is said.

Comments on differences between versions should not be condescending - it should be limited to "In the English dub", "In the manga adaptation", etc. That there is a difference between the two in this instance only is all that needs to be said - anything more, along the lines of "it should be noted..." is only asking for argument, and should be avoided.

"The commentary (specifically "The first name she said was Davis' name." and "Ken is a wonderchild!") are specifically the kind of "hmmm" arguments we don't need." - "Evidence" should be posted as non-commentary descriptions of the events, and not in the argumentative or condescending tone many of them are written on.

I would also like to suggest the deletion of the completely empty coupling pages, and a greater effort to suggest something on the talk page before adding it. I don't want to be too hard on these pages, but we have to agree that these pages do need some kind of cleanup or copyediting, as they're in pretty sorry shape for right now.

I would actually advise editors who want to add things to look for some of the "professional" essays found on some fansites - these are much more concise, much more persuasive, and much more....good, than what we have now. I've actually seen a good one arguing against Taiora and for Sorato which convinced me, even though I'd always thought that Sora and Tai were indicated to be dating.KrytenKoro 22:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Retool?
I think we could actually retool these pages a bit. Instead of trying to argue specifically for romantic relationships, we could have them cover whatever form of relationship the two characters have.

Besides that, I have two suggestions for the current state of the articles:
 * 1) Articles should only mention the two characters in question, unless another character is entwined in the matter. So, Any page including Yolei should leave out mention of characters besides the other char., except to mention that Ken and Yolei get married.
 * 2) The Speculation section should be retooled to be more of the "essay" section - those fan-written, synthesis essays examining two character's relationships should be here, while the bare facts should be listed above. So, the "Speculation" section puts together the "evidence" section into a cohesive argument.
 * 3) Any type of "implication" evidence should stand up if the same method is applied to other characters in the scene or in similar scenes. So, if it claims that T.K. and Kari sitting together in Digitamamon's diner is evidence, it should consider that the same scene has Yolei and Cody sitting together as well. It would either need to admit this as part of the claim, or use it to remove the claim completely.

KrytenKoro 04:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Kazu & Kenta
Uhm.. I think this really strange because Kazu and Kenta are both boys, and in Digimon they have no homosexual, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BramBenthem


 * They only have implied heterosex at the end of 02, so it's as logical as the rest of the coupling articles. They are actually told that they act like a married couple in one episode, as well.[[Image:Koromon.png]] Not even Mr. Lister's  Koromon survived intact.  08:32, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You'd probably think Tai & Matt is strange, too, but you wouldn't believe its popularity among a certain kind of fangirl. It had as big a rivalry with both Tai & Sora and Matt & Sora as those two did with each other. It was a perfect-storm triangle of shipping wars. --Doomdoom 00:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Anti-Canon Validity
It seems there is a good amount of argument around the subject of couplings (particularly in Seasons 1 and 2) involving characters who ended up canon-paired. In response, I'd just like to give one opinion on the matter: why not? Last I checked, Ken and Yolei didn't get married while they were still kids. Pairings and fanfiction can take place any time, even before the series (if the characters knew each other before its start) or after the epilogue if an author so chooses. So who's to say Yolei didn't date Davis or T.K. or whoever some time in High School before realizing she still had feelings for Ken? Even without extreme canon evidence, any coupling could be possible if timed right; people change, after all. (Not to say I don't want evidence, just stating a good author could make it work.) Just look at the differences in Tai and Sora between 1 and 2. Heck, on that note, why do people seem to believe that Sorato proves Taiora never happened? The way I recall it, Tai and Sora were implied in 1, and said in 2 to have dated in the past (when Matt is asking Tai if he's okay with it (Basing on Dub here)), be that during 1 or sometime between the two seasons. So yes, Ken and Yolei may be canon. But we as fans absolutely cannot prove that neither of them ever dated any other character between the final battle and the epilogue. Therefore, it is my opinion that all possible couplings with enough evidence to make an article should be covered, whether the characters involved have a canon pairing or not. Heart-of-Thorns 16:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Technically, and it's much more clear in the original version, Tai and Sora were best friends, and most of the stuff spun as romance in the dub was friendship in the original. Kari's really the only one they made have multiple love interests - it's just not an important theme of the series, so it's not covered in depth.
 * There's also the cultural context that suggests that, unlike America, and at the sunny-side of reality, none of these marriages were things they came to overnight. They may not have been planned marriages, but they had a crapload of time invested into them.
 * But that's just my feelings - it is possible to provide evidence for any which pairing. However, I'd much rather the article evolve into true "relationships" articles, like you see on the Inuyasha pages on wiki - covering how the two characters interact, and letting the reader judge for themselves if there's romance or not. Not even Mr. Lister's  Koromon survived intact.  20:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What Inuyasha wiki? inuyasha.wikia.com only has 108 pages, and none of the titles look like they're about relationships. And while they have no equivalent pages there, I'd rather we took on the aloof humor-based style of the Transformers wiki. --Doomdoom 00:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, the Inuyasha articles on wikipedia, which have a "relationships" section on each article covering how the character interacts with other characters. That would be a much more neutral way of covering the info.
 * While I love the humor of the TF wiki, it is based on a series that strongly incorporates humor, recognizes the silliness of its concept, has much more familiarity with readers, so that the jokes actually "take", and has a huge editor-base, so that jokes can be made but there's enough people to recognize whether information is still factual. Digimon is confusing enough as it is without sarcasm, and if we tried to have a similar humor-based style, we'd have to rewrite everything. I know I'm not up for that anytime soon, but if the other main editors are... Not even Mr. Lister's  Koromon survived intact.  21:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol! Isn't that the truth? Even issues such as gender become massly disfigured. For example, Renamon says Digimon are genderless. Yet they've used gender-based pronouns. Plus the wonderful episode in 02 (The Good, The Bad, and The Digi) where they let only the girls (including Digimon) out of their cells for cards. And this included Hawkmon, who is otherwise obviously male. On that note, assuming they do have even implied if not literal genders, and Yolei's Hawkmon's is male, wtf is the 02 Silphymon? xD
 * Anyway, back on topic.. '^^ Serious question: Why is there no article for Riley and Yamaki from Tamers? While not Digidestined or children, they were pretty major characters who had a largely implied though (at least in the dub) never canonly stated relationship. I dunno.. Maybe their fanbase isn't as big as I'd like to believe.. But I know I was a Yamaki fangirl.. '^^; (To the point that this many years after Tamers ended I finally got a Zippo for the sole purpose of flicking it open and shut like Yamaki does when he's anxious, nervous, or bored. '^^ Hehe..) So yeah, thoughts? Heart-of-Thorns 23:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Geez, these tabs are getting so far in that all the words are crammed...xD


 * Digimon are genderless...in a technical sense, meaning that they can still act like male/female if they feel. However, since it's not actually a gender, they cannot reproduce. According to Kokana's notes, that's what he meant. As for Slyphimon, I have no idea. xP


 * As for Yamaki, while he's a major character, the problem is that he isn't a Chosen/Tamer. If we let him slide, we might as well let slide people like Takeru and Yamato's parents...which would be kinda pointless. So it's probably best at leaving it as such. Only dead fish go with the flow. 13:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Michi?
Michi seems to be popular in the ff.net community. Why doesn't it have a page?
 * Because it's the duty of its supporters to add a page about it and provide the evidence they can. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon  survived intact.  04:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

You will notice now however that a page has been put up now. Feel free to add any other evidence that comes to mind. User:Coolbloo12 (03:24, 1 February 2009)

Broader Category?
I'm not at all a 'regular' here, but after viewing some of these articles, I really do not see a "Coupling" title being the best way to list relationships between two people. A title such as "Relationships" (also previously brought up by KrytenKoro) would be much more encompassing and provoke less debate concerning speculation and canon. For example, canon would never see people who rarely interact or same-sex couples (except for maybe Mimi and Miyako...) exist. The way the "Coupling" articles work now, there is therefore no organized method to document the relationships or rivalries between two people even if they've met - ex. Yamato & Takeru obviously have a very strong relationship, though they are definitely not a couple. Under a more encompassing category, it would be a lot easier to organize and record interactions between everyone, as well as interactions between human and Digimon. Each article would have a section for factual evidence, as most coupling articles have now, as well as a section for speculation, where others could pretty much speculate on couples.

Also, not really related to the above paragraph, some of the "evidence" on aforementioned coupling pages is based solely on two characters standing beside each other *in or along with their friends/allies*. I personally do not see that as evidence at all - friends will often cluster together but still not be a couple. I can see this when there is affection being shown between the two (Yamato and Sora in the S2 Finale Poster for example) - however when it comes to the S2 Koumi image (where they are clearly in a cluster with their friends and not displaying affection via hand-holding or whatnot) or the Rukato Movie Poster (where Ruki is also reaching for Henry's hand as well as Takato's), that honestly is a bit of a stretch for me.

Just trying to voice my personal opinions as a very infrequent visitor on this site. Discussion is encouraged of course. Thanks, and Merry Christmas :) 99.246.156.184 07:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a very good evaluation, I of course don't really approve a people doing this but people mearely will have to delete these types of evidence but I know it won't be this easy.User:Coolbloo12


 * I'm currently working on cleaning up what I can. I can't get everything at once (I'm still a working student) but there used to be some truly ridiculous things on the Takari article that have now been knocked off...Ironically, I think the ridiculous stuff was my fault to begin with...xD Well, I'm not a fangirl anymore. Only dead fish go with the flow. 13:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Format
All right, I am in a bad mood, but I have a reason.

I worked very, very hard to keep the general information at the top of each page consistent (i.e. "This page is dedicated to the and coupling..."), and instead someone came and changed the ones on certain ones (i.e. making "Davis Motomiya" and "Kari Kamiya" in bold in the Daikari article, and taking away Zoe's last name in the Junzumi article). Is there a way we can enforce a real standard on things like this? Only dead fish go with the flow. 01:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, with the episode articles, we've got one dedicated editor, and a plan (yet to be an MoS draft yet, though). With the card articles, there's OCD me. And with the main articles, we've got an MoS draft.
 * What I've found to work well is to spend some obsessive time on one article, making it perfect and shiny, and then go on to the other articles. That way, if anyone gives you grief, you can just say "Look at x", and keep on working. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon  survived intact.  03:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Evidence
If you have noticed some coupling pages are "bigger" than others. Quite frankly I'm getting annoyed by the fact that some people actually write stuff like "Her son looks a bit like him" Ever since I started my own account here I've been cleaning up the couplings page and I am freaking annoyed. Not to mention the fact that couples that shouldn't even be able to happen show up on the coupling page. I erased some of them because I felt that the couples didn't have enough evidence to support it, but they keep showing up. I'm open to ideas of couples but stuff like Henry&Alice aren't right. I just like to say that evidence is evidence, if you don't have more then 2 then you shouldn't start the page. I feel we need some standards of this, seriously...User:Coolbloo12 (03:32, 1 February 2009)


 * I know evidence is evidence, but Ned said something along the lines of "these are just for fun".


 * And besides, I've been on the fanfiction community for over a year now and you'd be shocked at how many people stick them together... Only dead fish go with the flow. 04:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want, I can probably dig up fanfiction pairing most main characters together. My personal favorite of the bunch is Kenta x Ruki, but I have a soft spot for Taichi x Takeru.  My point is...  Fandom is strange.  You don't have half the pairings people have ever written about here.


 * ...and I will admit to having written some weird pairings myself. Including Takeru x Jenrya x Tomoki.  Because this is fandom, we can tolerate it.


 * Maybe for expansion, you can include some fandom history? Lanate (talk) 07:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Perhaps. I'll think about it.


 * Henry x Alice, however, is not considered a "weird" pairing (although it is to me) on the fanfiction community; it's most commonly found in triple-date fanfiction with Jurato, Ryuki, and the above former...I think it's because they want to stick some girl with Jian. And I'm personally sick of seeing it, but it continually appears on the FF feeds...


 * I'll think about the fandom history section; there'll be a lot to write about that. Only dead fish go with the flow. 13:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The love triangle
Sorato or Taiora? There's a battle going on about which one should have happened and users are erasing evidence and adding useless stuff. What can be done? User:Coolbloo12 (03:35, 1 February 2009)


 * Currently I'm taking care of it. I have every coupling page on my watchlist and any minor tiny thing that gets changed has to go through me. Although I'm onesided myself, I firmly believe in fairness for both sides and thus whenever something happens I'll make sure it doesn't go bad. xD Only dead fish go with the flow. 04:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Colourbars?
Stumbled upon these coupling colourbars for Digimon Adventure/02 (see here, about 1/2 way down). What about adding these to their respective articles (at the bottom of the article, or maybe the top). Opinions? If anyone does want to do this, someone is going to have to help me make the html work in the wiki (as wikicode or something else). Rad140  Grrr.... I'm Wargreymon!  Arrrgh!  Grrraaww! 23:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Qualification
This particular rule: Rather than making it one way, it should probably state: That way, we can cover manga differences, as well as stuff that was in the Japanese version but not in the English version. Or if anyone who's watched other dubs have anything different to say. Lanate (talk) 06:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Anything exclusively from the English dub and prominently not in the Japanese version must be marked.
 * Anything exclusively in one version and not in another must be marked.

Digimon Couples
I was wondering perhaps if we could have couples with digimon in them ex: Agumon/Biyomon. I think digimon also can have the right to be in the coupling section. It's just an idea but I think it could be fun. Coolbloo12
 * No, we need to limit the amount of couplings possible. It's bad enough Adventure's Chosen Children alone could potentially have 132 pages; if we add the Digimon then it'll be a hectic mess. Only dead fish go with the flow. 19:11, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * A follow-up: Digimon are genderless...in a technical sense, meaning that they can still act like male/female if they feel. However, since it's not actually a gender, they cannot reproduce. Yes, I know that means they can still have a romance, but considering the whole idea that Digitamas actually come out of nowhere...I don't think Digimon were ever meant to have romances like that. Only dead fish go with the flow. 19:18, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * But think about Patomon (For more info go to my User Page). The perfect digimon couple. And it makes it even better since their partners make the most perfect human couple.&#39;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#39;Digigirls 4-eva&#39;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#39; 09:46, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if there is relationship evidence, it's a bit telling that you note their humans. What you are setting up is analogous to stepchildren getting heavy - the parents got married, so "it makes it even better". So, that's why we don't allow that as "evidence". Glorious  CHAOS!  18:26, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * ........huh???? :? Digigirls Rule!!! ANd DoNT u 4gEt iT
 * The idea that "Their humans fit well together means the Digimon fit well together" is analogous to suggesting that stepsiblings get busy with each other. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:42, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ohhh!? So why didn't you say so. You had me all confused D. LOL. Digigirls Rule!!! ANd DoNT u 4gEt iT

Debatable Evidence
After reviewing the evidence on some coupling pages, I feel that some might not be considered as romantic evidence but evidence of bonds. For example on the Takari page it states that In "Piedmon's last jet" that T.K. wanted to be brave in front of Kari and not cry, I thinks thats a little bit of a strech. Of course it can be debatable but would any little boy want to show his fear in front of a girl in any situation? Also on the the Sorato page there is evidence from the episode "Birdramon gets firepower" that Matt screamed out "Sora come back!" I have to wonder if any other person might have screamed that out. This could be evidence of worry or a bond but not a real romantic link. There is also some debateble evidence on the Michi page in which Mimi held tightly on Tai when they were riding on Greymon, I feel this only happened so that she wouldn't fall off and can't really be considered evidence also when Tai helped Mimi off the boat, any person could do that and since only Tai and Joe was there I have to say it could be debatable the same could be said on the Daikari page in which Davis and Kari were in a dance position, it could have been in the spur of the moment. Two bits of evidence from the Kouzimi page could also be debatable, she helps him talk to Koji, that's not exactly romantic, futher more fighting together with Emperorgreymon isn't a romantic link either. I have to review a little more to spot some debatable evidence from the pages but I guess it's just some things to think about. Coolbloo12
 * Well, technically, the coupling pages are about romantic couplings, so romantic evidence. There is no concrete evidence, so anything put on those pages is up to debate, but common sense seems like a good way to go.  If something doesn't seem like one person cares about another, or is just coincidence (like holding onto someone for safety, or helping them off a boat) that is debatable. There's been talk about setting up a general friendship/relationship section (like how one character reacts to/with another), or just making notes in the article that it's not romantic.  Regardless, any evidence that you don't think is applicable should be put on the couple's discussion page, so others can review/debate. Rad140  Dear vandal, I'm not afraid to rollback your ass.   17:44, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed with Rad140 - sometime in the future when I have a lot of time open I'm deleting all of the couple pages and replacing them with the relationship articles. Honestly, all of the articles have issues like the one you said (Taiora included), so it's not really in a good state at this point. Only dead fish go with the flow. 23:19, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Aster Selene, writing relationship articles would be the best route I think for these pages. The problem with these coupling pages is that they are so many opinions and there are so many theories that opposite forces often clash. Writing evidence allows you to see the blatant truth that one couple is better then another and allows vandals and fangirls to delete evidence they don't want seen or add irrelevant evidence. So making articles of romantic relationships would be good. But then a new problem could come up, if you write it based on your opinion or theory you may sound biased. Others may want to voice their opinion, if one of your theories goes against another, they won't take it well. We have to make sure that the articles are fair with most couples and the content is crucial, we should write based on evidence and other things you see in the show, not evidence alone. If we aren't careful another "war" could come up. I think maybe on those articles we should write a section that says other theories, thus other can voice their theory without any flaming that you see here currently. ---coobloo12 It's a life October 12, 2009
 * We tried that on the Coupling articles but it got very messy. Daikari evidence and Takari-bashing on the Takari page - not fun. I'm thinking a relationships more along the lines of http://www.haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Kyon (look at the bottom). It's more equal and more passive, even though Kyon has been paired up with all five of those characters. Only dead fish go with the flow. 14:02, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * So are you thinking of giving each character their own page, and then summarizing their relationships/interactions with other characters, much like the Kyon page? If so, we should probably still keep the original coupling pages somewhere, but state that they are no longer looked after/maintained (lock them?) and link the the relationship/interaction pages.  Hopefully that would make everyone happy. Rad140  Dear vandal, I'm not afraid to rollback your ass.   15:15, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * That works. I can work on that. However, I would like the R-S articles to be more detailed than that of the Kyon article of course (it's short in the Haruhi wiki because the Haruhi series isn't done, but DA, DA02, DT, DF, and DS are over and done with). Only dead fish go with the flow. 21:36, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Locking
I am now locking the Couplings pages so I can start work on the Relationships pages. New evidence added now at this time will make the job messy.

It may take me over a month to write, so please be patient. Pages will be deleted and redirected to the new pages when all of them are complete. Only dead fish go with the flow. 21:36, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright. Let me know if you need any help.  I'm assuming each relationship article is going to discuss that character with every other character (Chosen only?) that they could have interacted with in their respective series? Rad140  Dear vandal, I'm not afraid to rollback your ass.   16:22, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep :D Only dead fish go with the flow. 19:16, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

This will be a great change! Let me know if you need any help ---coobloo12 It's a life

The pages should not be just taken over by one person and that is what you are doing in locking the page.

-TheBlueAuthor

Tomizu
A bit ilogic,but Tomizu is the couple Tommy and Zoe

Sign your posts. Not as illogical as one might think, but locked is locked and I won't add it. Only dead fish go with the flow. 19:43, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Locking
You should not lock a page it is here so that people can edit them so please unlock. There is a couple missing Koukari Koumi and Kari this can be seen in the Drama CD. This is a real couple please unlock so than couples like that can be added.

"Add additional couplings if you are able to make a page about them as well." From the Fan:Coupling page.

TheBlueAuthor


 * You mean Kouji and Hikari?


 * The idea is ridiculous; the moment was meant for pure crack in the Drama CD. In fact the whole Drama CD was made for crack, along with a huge amount of fourth-wall breaking; it wasn't meant to be taken as a part of canon plot, and it does not imply that Kouji and Hikari live in the same universe altogether.


 * I will not allow such a couple to be added, as it's not meant to be this kind of thing.


 * Also, if you mean Koushiro and Hikari, there's no reason to start a page when the only evidence you HAVE is a Drama CD. And which Drama CD are you referring to? I don't remember it...O.o


 * It will not be unlocked until the new articles are revamped, as allowing edits will add to the workload and only confuse matters.


 * The pages are almost done so be patient. They will include a more focus on relationships rather than actual romance shippings, and so you'll be able to see every Adventure/02 Chosen's interactions with every other Chosen in the same universe. That is my final word on the matter. Only dead fish go with the flow. 01:51, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Just hear me out.Plz.
Ok, I watch alot of coupling/pairing AMVs on Youtube, and some people are so sick as to say, "See that pic of TK and Kari? Imagine that was Tai." or "Hichi rules". Incested pervs. so I was thinking, just for incest lovers on this site we make a *shudder* Hichi page. I'm only doing so people can say on Youtube to those sickos, "Hey, theres a Hichi page on Digimon Wiki. Go there and drool over the sad, so very wrong couple. Go on you pervs.". I hate incest I just want those comments to stop. It can be an editable page. In fact if it is wanted it can be deleted if wanted I don't care I'm just giving an opinion to all those incest sickos.That's why I'm not signing this post incase you burn me over a suggestion.
 * We don't have the pages to cater to fetishists, we have them to document the "actual" relationships that happened in the series. You know, behavior that resembles that of humans, rather than internet porn sites. To be fair, if incestuous relationships occurred in the shows, we'd mention that, but it hasn't, so we won't.18:26, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well like I said it was just an opinion.


 * It's called "ecchi". Only dead fish go with the flow. 01:14, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Progress update
I am almost done with the Adventure/02 articles. Why did it take three months? Because I had to watch the entire series again, as well as compare with the current Fan Coupling pages. I need a little more time and then I'll release those articles only as a beta. If they don't work out well, I'll just create the template for the Tamers, Frontier, and Savers ones and let other people fill it in. But I'm not sure about doing the second one, because since the Relationships articles will have more analysis and opinion than the former, it can get out of control if started by users together than if they were started in one base. We'll see. Only dead fish go with the flow. 01:14, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have to apologize to everyone.


 * I hate my computer.


 * It crashed destroying all of my hard work.


 * Because I know everyone's eager to see the redone articles, I'm going to create the templates and let everyone else fill it in and sort out the bias later. I can't spend another ton of months on this project. The templates should be up within the next week or two. Only dead fish go with the flow. 03:32, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry about that. It hurts when you lost a major project like that.  It's fine if you just release the templates; we'll try our best to sort out the bias. Lanate (talk) 02:59, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Couple Suggestion
Ok, this is just a suggestion 'cause I've seen some evidence. Sora and T.K. You can think up a coupling name. It's just a suggestion. Why are all the Digidestined leaders boys?!  21:29, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop, wait, Aster Selene's rewriting this section and what until she unveils her work before suggesting anything. Also, it's called Sokeru. Lanate (talk) 22:23, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oh right, didn't know. <'P Why are all the  Digidestined leaders boys?!  13:55, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Relook
A lot of the stuff on this page needs to be reconsidered in light of the fact that they were childhood friends, and that Sora is clearly shown to fall in love with Matt, and have Tai encourage her. Yes, there's a good deal of evidence that there might have been something there, but a lot of it is just going to be them being best friends. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 04:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but childhood friendship is often a precursor to romance in fiction :) -- Ned Scott 05:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but especially in this case, its unreasonable to interpret stuff such "You're back, Tai!" as something with romantic overtones.
 * (Plus, childhood friends are also often in fiction the person you couldn't imagine being involved with.) Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 05:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with the 'best-friends-falling-in-love' part, and even do it sometimes in my own fics. But I think that about the "You're back, Tai!" part we should leave there. I think that perhaps if she is the only one saying it, then it is valid... I think. Thoughts?
 * And what's with the Mr Lister's Koromon thing *scratches head* ? - Digi9346 05:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess it's fine to leave that there, but especially in this case, where it's reinforced in 02 that she doesn't really have romantic feelings for him, and he's okay with that, we need to keep in mind when we're misinterpreting simple friendship as romance. Sometimes, people are just polite.
 * It's a reference to a line from the Red Dwarf character Kryten:


 * Rimmer: Look at it. All our possessions, all our valuables, completely destroyed. Between fire, flood, and impact, we've lost damn near everything.
 * Kryten: Well, at least Mr. Lister's guitar survived intact.
 * Cat: (breaks guitar over his knee)
 * Kryten: Not even Mr. Lister's guitar survived intact!

I grew up on Red Dwarf and Digimon, so when I chose my first screenname I just put them together. I even have an image of Kryten holding a Koromon somewhere. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 06:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that even in Digimon Adventure, when they were just kids, you can see (although nobody wrote it here) that they care about each other, more than about anybody else. I wouldn't call that just childhood friendship, actually I would call it a childhood crush, that became something bigger. If you would ask, even a person who doesn't watch or like Digimon:"Aren't Taichi and Sora perfect for each other?", he would say yes, in 99% of the cases. Some little things (and not just little things) in the movies and in the serias (including Digimon Adventure Zero 2), prove that there is truely something. And that something, was ruined only by the Japanesse writers in the Digimon Adventure Zero 2, when they suddenly, out of nothing desided for Sorato (only because Matt was the most popular guy in the Digimon Adventure, and Sora was a more loveable girl then Mimi). Nobody even thought about those two, untill they were shown together in the anime. I think that the writers of the dubbed version did the best thing they could by throwing partly that out, because many, many fans still think that Taiora is the combination. And I think so to... And I don't think, that Taichi didn't care about the way things turned out, I think that he was hurt but what could he do? :/ I wish that the dubbed version (at least the dubbed), could change that story to the end, oh well...
 * Please remember to sign your posts! xP
 * Anyway, I actually think otherwise. No matter what the fan base is, Nimoy still should not be perverting and twisting the lines to satisfy his own desires for Taiora. Besides, although Sorato may not have been a popular couple, it still does not mean that it's bad for them to change it. They should take fan couplings with a grain of salt, but if it's their idea, let them have it.
 * Besides, do you have any *real* evidence that Sorato was unpopular in Japan? Of course it was booed in America where the dub twisted all the lines, but in Japan...
 * And I think you're exaggerating the "99%" line. I don't think they're perfect, per se, and to be honest, in real life, best friends don't always become couples. In fact, the best friend turns out to be the last person you want to date...
 * Read "blush..." maybe? Only dead fish go with the flow. 01:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In any case, I think it's acceptable to put the Christmas scene in there, as long as it comes with a detailed analysis, does not cite any specific lines, and states that it is from the English dub, along with an analysis of the original Japanese scene. Only dead fish go with the flow. 01:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally, AS, I don't think you have to follow the format that was there if you don't want to. The kind of essays you had on your site would be much more informative, if integrated well, and would read less banal than the bits of trivia that most of the articles are now. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon  survived intact.  01:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually I watched the Digimon Adventures, the original version and also the dubbed version. Unfortunently I only could find the dubbed version of the Zero 2, so I just watched a few original episodes, and I'm quite aware of everything, because although I haven't seen it, I've read about it. Maybe it is my love for the couple speaking, but I don't think they did something wrong?, because although those people make animes, we are the ones who will decide is it good or not, and how much population will it gain. I think they are just aware of that. I didn't know that only the Japanese oppinion mattered... And I'm not quite well informed about the situation there, that was just a statement I made as my personal oppionion, which doesn't have to be right, but I personaly see things like that, just like anybody else. Anyway... I didn't ever consider them "best friends", more like they are childhood love to each other, than friends, again... It's the seeing things my way.
 * This is just a personal gripe, but -- if you're going to "it's my opinion, it doesn't have to be right", then don't even start a discussion. As for "it's the fan's right to decide what happens" - well, you could maybe make that argument if you were paying to see the story, but otherwise, it's just silly sentimentality.
 * But anyway, that's just a personal gripe, I'm not saying your comment was wrong. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon  survived intact.  23:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I thought that discussion are made of personal gripes and oppionions... My oppionion is connected in some matter with the truth, with the truth as I see it. And you're discusing me about that because you see the "truth" in your way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't discussion supposed to be about personal statements? It's not like "couplings" is a strictly theme, in which we must concentrate on the facts and only the facts, and do not pull anything out of them that "may not be the truth". :/ Anyway, about the viewer-maker relationship... That may be the way as you see it, but when they published something like that, that wasn't just published for them, it was also for the public, so, in some matter, I think, our oppionion should be considered. Not in a way that should change the whole story/seria, but still... It matters.
 * Once again, please sign your posts.
 * Yes, fan opinion matters but that does not mean the author should also listen to every single opinion given by fans! Is J.K. Rowling going to make Harry and Hermione smooch all over each other just because 50% of the fan population wants her to? It's the creators' dream, let them live it out! And if they wanted to share this dream with Americans, is it right for the American dubbers to twist it to their own ends? Even if that's what the American population wants?
 * Especially considering most of the Taiora dialogue/"romance" came from the English dub. The Christmas episode itself had no intended Taiora in it.
 * Once again, while fans should be considered, they should not completely twist the plot so that the creators' dream is ruined.
 * And besides, if the author did nothing but listen to the fans, then Haruhi and Kyon would get together and the world would end. And nothing would make sense (joking, joking, that's just my YukiKyon fangirlism again). Only dead fish go with the flow. 19:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

02 opening
Tai and Matt aren't even "standing next to each other" in 02's opening; Tai's just in front of Matt. And that's really too tenuous a connection, especially considering the image was touted as 'Sorato' proof, as Matt & Sora are actually next to each other. --Doomdoom 23:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Episode 50
Regarding the abrupt deletion of the context under "Episode 50: A Million Points of Light" was because:


 * It downright states that "Oddly, considering Matt and Sora seemingly have two kids together in the epilogue, Sora's standing nowhere near Matt; she's next to Joe." It is made quite clear that Yamato/Matt and Sora are married. That statement alone tries to claim that because Sora is standing next to Jyou/Joe and not Matt than she not with Matt anymore. I do not believe Sora and Matt had children together, because if the would have it would have surly mentioned it like it mentioned Ken and Yolei was married and had kids.
 * "Sora is still very close to Joe." Again, this is trying, or at least implying, to state that Matt and Sora are not married at the end of the season. Whether you accepted or not, Sora/Yamato is canon. Plus, just because certain people are not married does not mean that a certain couple is is together, thus not being "proof."

That being said, I will remove that part unless something can be proven for that aspect.--Kid Dolomite 02:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Toei Animation actually confirmed Sora and Yamato married, so anything otherwise is fangirlism. Only dead fish go with the flow. 16:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Teeeechnically, isn't stuff the creators say that isn't in the show itself only subjectively canon? I'd say it is in this case, but in general. --Doomdoom 16:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

"arrows of love"

 * Cupid's arrows are arrows of love, not Angewomon/Angemon's.

Yeah, tell that to Tentomon. Just saying what the characters said. --Doomdoom 22:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're misinterpreting. Tentomon was talking about the arrows in reference to Cupid's in order to insinuate the fact that they wouldn't hurt Taichi and Yamato, not that they loved each other. Only dead fish go with the flow. 22:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Interpretation is verboten on shipping pages, so I didn't do any. Just reported that, literally speaking, Mrs. Izumi compared the arrows to Cupid's and then Tentomon directly referred to the arrows of hope and light as 'arrows of love'. Facetiously, obviously, but I never wrote anything about what his intended meaning was, just the text-text. --Doomdoom 15:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * By putting it on a shipping page you're insinuating that it's a sign of love, so if you want to keep it factual don't put it on a ship-page. Only dead fish go with the flow. 16:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Wait, so... what facts can go on ship pages short of canon declarations of "I love you in a romantic manner and I wish to marry you"? Because it's all insinuation. I thought the idea was dry facts that could maybe possibly from some angle be interpreted in more than one way, including a pro-ship way. (episode 49: T.K. tried to protect a teammate = evidence of true love holy crap) --Doomdoom 16:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is all speculation but there's a limit as to where we can take this. Protecting someone: it did have an intent of some amount of affection, romantic or not. Intepreting a line totally meant for a different purpose altogether is another story. Only dead fish go with the flow. 17:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Izzy&Mimi
In Episode 14, Mimi falls on Izzy, and the latter blushed. Am I right??
 * Blushed? And it's not like she controls who she falls on. Only dead fish go with the flow. 02:10, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it does damn count! This is Koumi we're talking about! Digigirls Rule!!! ANd DoNT u 4gEt iT 19:24, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop being a fangirl. We are trying to be realistic... Only dead fish go with the flow. 19:27, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well sorree, am not aloud to express my feelings about a cute couple. Gomen if this is annoying but I just love to exaggerate LOL. Why are all the Digidestined leaders boys?!  21:58, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I had a bad day at the time of the post. Yes, you can express your feelings about this couple but this is a wiki and we are sticking to facts. Only dead fish go with the flow. 00:42, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

It okay. LOL. I just luve...luve. If it's cute, I like it. Why are all the Digidestined leaders boys?!  22:44, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Interesting pic
Once again, I may be seeing things, but doesn't it kinda look like Palmon is making a move to hug Joe's leg? "I was thinking we should try to remember what it was like when we were kids." "It's a different world now, Jack." "Yeah, I know."  22:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I wrote down about the evidence that Joe might have a crush on Sora in the manga version why was it removed?

Why
The grammar was bad, and I couldn't understand any of it. I don't know what you wanted to say. Please organize your work and use proper grammar rules. Only dead fish go with the flow. 17:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

then help?
I'm Dutch so my English is not perfect maybe help me out a bit then? Joe/Sora was kinda implied in the volume 2 of the manga version - Joe wanted to wait till the others came back because he and Sora got separated from the rest Sora wanted Joe to take on the leader position of the group he refuses and Sora responses with ' the leaders get all the girls' and she winks at him. the next panel Joe gets all brave and acts like a leader

When they defeat all the Bakemon they hold hands and Sora tells Joe he's the best leader ever'' and both of them blush in the next panel.


 * I can get all that in, but I need a citation (what chapter, page, etc.) before I can put it in, because we can't take any info for granted. Only dead fish go with the flow. 20:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I did my best to fix up the grammar, etc. Hope it's easier to understand. It still needs more sources.--Rad140 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Problems
"When Kari is laying on the bench it shows T.K. looking at Kari Sadly showing that he was concerned about her befor Tai made him promise to protect her. The others leave looking for medicine for kari and T.K., by the evidence thus far in the series, would be likely to join in with the "bigger kids". However, Tai tells T.K. he's the only line of defence left if something happens, so T.K. gladly stays behind. "
 * seems to be outright speculation, and not very promising.

"Some people speculate that T.K.'s attraction to Kari is simply a result of the promise he made to Tai to protect her, a promise he then carried on to protect her all his life. Further to this, T.K. flat-out agrees to it. The fact that Tai knowingly makes T.K. promise to protect Kari, when naturally the Digidestined would protect each other regardless, suggests that Tai knew there was something, or at least the potential for something, between T.K. and Kari, hence he intended to help them. Also T.K. does not want Kari to see him scared because he wishes to look brave. In the same episode, Piedmon suggests they are "falling for each other". One can take this literally, as the line was uttered when T.K. and Kari are both in freefall, or figuratively - the latter of which suggests that Piedmon observes (or merely jests about) T.K. and Kari's special relationship. "
 * This has some potential, but really only the part about T.K. wanting to be brave in front of Kari. Taking a villain's taunt as evidence of romance, or an over-protective older brother's request to protect his sister as evidence of "being in the know" is pulling at too many straws. At best, it should be said that Tai specifically asked T.K. to protect Kari, and T.K. accepted.

"Even before he met her, when he was aware that there would be an eighth child, he remarked how enjoyable the new kid would be if he or she were his age, so that they could play together. It appears his wish is fulfilled, as Kari is only a few months older than he is. "
 * This is completely irrelevant to everything.

"They are shown standing together in the both Opening Themes of Digimon Adventure 02."
 * This is actually more do to the "order" of the original digidestined:


 * Tai
 * 1) Matt
 * 2) Sora
 * 3) Mimi
 * 4) Izzy
 * Joe
 * 1) T.K.
 * 2) Kari


 * The new digidestined replace the old six, and Ken is added on as the "ninth" digidestined.

"Most people, upon meeting a friend they haven't seen in years, will exhibit a shy response (citation needed)."
 * Even the text recognizes that this claim is ridiculous.


 * The notes from episodes 01, 07, and 13 are actually good - this is the kind of thing these articles should strive towards.

"TK and Kari are shown sitting together in one table (right) while the others sit on anther table (left)."
 * This may have some use, if the parallel to Mimi and Michael sitting together is mentioned. However, that would also indicate something between Yolei and Cody, and Davis dying alone and unloved. Naturally, the parallel is faulty.

"After Ken's self realization and the end of the Digimon Emperor's control over the Digimon World, while they are cleaning up Primary Village, Veemon notices that he can't digivolve. Kari and T.K. decide to run off and try themselves. However, Gatomon is perfectly aware that she cannot digivolve, due to the lack of Kari's crest power, and immediately quotes "No go for Gato," meaning "Don't even bother." There must have been a second pretense to this, as if there wasn't T.K. would have gone himself regardless."
 * Or maybe they just remembered that Kari is the Adventure equivalent to Calumon. I don't remember the exact scene right now, so I'll need to check, but this still feels like picking at straws to me.

''"Their Digimon have Angel forms, and their Armor forms are very similar in looks, and even have a default shared attack, something not many have."

As for their Japanese names, they are both spelled Hikari and Takeru phonetically in English, and both are spelled consonant-vowel-k-vowel-r-vowel.

"Yagami Hikari" translates as "Light of the Eight Gods" in Japanese, and "Takaishi Takeru" translates as "Tall Rock Mountain". Mountains represent strength in most Asian religons. Both of their names represent high and celestial things."''
 * That their evolved and armor digimon have similar forms and almost always fight together, and that Azulongmon speaks of Hope and Light being together should be mentioned. The nonsense about the English spelling is, again, pulling at straws (especially since that's not how they ended up being spelled in English or Japanese for that matter), and most of the characters have names like that. Sora's name is even closer to Hikari's - if we followed this line of reasoning, maybe Sora and Kari were intended to get together?

"It is speculated, based on the epilogue to Digimon Adventure 02, that TK and Kari are married 25 years after the end of the series. "
 * Things like this should never be added, unless you're simply talking about the fan movement. In that case, details, details, details. As I've said before, I think these pages would do best to have some information on the history of fans shipping the various couples, and how those reacted to new episodes, whether they died out, etc. We can allow some persuasion of our own to be on these pages, but it's inappropriate to have nothing factual within them.

There, are you happy KD? I just complained about nearly everything on this page.KrytenKoro 07:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously, I only need one or two people to discuss these with me, and I can get to work on them.KrytenKoro 07:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

How about when Willis kissed Kari in Digimon: The Movie, Tk dropped his mouth and raised his arm. He was standing behind Kari and Yolei. Yeah, but what would that mean? You could use the same argument to say he had a crush on Yolei... Only dead fish go with the flow. 04:07, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well...
Next time you criticize anything on this page maybe you should go to the main source instead of this page. I accept all criticism of my webpage's theory on my guestbook where the info for this page originally came from.

The webpage is here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbow sprinkle (talk • contribs)


 * The point of criticizing this page is to improve it. -- Ned Scott 04:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding CD Drama: Adventure 02, Original Story etc.
Thanks for fixing my mistake with the whole CD Drama image thing, KrytenKoto... I'm not sure where I thought of that from in the first place. You're right, that would be uncomfortable, if not awkward. Don't worry, I won't add dumb like they're standing next to each other or anything. :) --Rad140 22:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

digimon T.K and Kari
hey just to let u know T.K and Kari get married because in digimon Tamers Takato's teacher sounds like Kari and Kari became a teacher and she has the same last name as T.K !! i looked into it. -Digimon luver <3


 * Uh, no?


 * Takato's teacher, in the English dub, has the same voice actress (Lara Jill Miller). That was for the purpose of needing VAs, not to imply they got married. Also, the teacher's last name is Asaji.


 * Where are you getting your theories? Only dead fish go with the flow. 03:16, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Final poster
The final poster seems very realistic (i.e. it's drawing style is the same of the anime) but it also seems to have been modified exactly in the vertical direction of T.K. and Kari's hands. Would it be possible to informe the official source of this picture?


 * The picture - the exact file down to the pixels - is all over the Internet so sadly I can't give an "original source". While I can't verify the origin of the picture, I can give an explanation for the reason of the appearance of editing. The poster was scanned via scanner to computer, and it had been folded - when it was scanned, there were two extremely huge creases. The first is the one you pointed out hovering over Takeru and Hikari's hands; the second is one over Gomamon and Jou (admittedly, it also hovers somewhat close to Miyako and Ken's arms, but notice it's a little too far to affect the hands themselves, and it's a long shot). Note that the creases are spaced evenly. And I don't see someone making that huge of a mistake in Photoshopping with creases like that...


 * http://cass_lillymon.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/neat.jpg


 * I'm aware the one hosted above is a Takari website...see, the version floating around the Internet is the Photoshopped one done by Eliana (the one who supplied the very famous Crest of Kindness picture). On her website, which has been taken down as of about a year ago, she posted both versions of the picture: the original and the one she Photoshopped herself specifically to remove the creases. Back then the original used to be madly popular but around now the Photoshopped version is the only one available except for the one above...


 * Hope this helps. Only dead fish go with the flow. 04:32, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

okay, did they or didn't they?
someone told me in the manga that gatomon says they married and so did the original japanese anime. is this true? i neeed to know!!!
 * No, they did not. 21:18, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ep 12?
Shouldn't we add in that when Davis is falling after being hit by Starmon's attack, Yolei jumps and catches him? Digigirls Rule!!! ANd DoNT u 4gEt iT 14:43, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * No adding or deleting. And that doesn't count, as Miyako was likely acting on reflex. Only dead fish go with the flow. 20:44, January 9, 2010 (UTC)