Thread:Marcusbwfc/@comment-5889551-20180811193910/@comment-134861-20180827204326

"I've already tried to explain this to you a dozen times and it has never sunk in" -- dude, just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm too thick to understand what you're arguing.

"they just don't. Let's just say it us a suspension of disbelief thing and leave it at that." -- Well, no, because you're the one proposing that we change how we define our scope for species articles. That requires a rigorous justification.

"Fusion had its own set of rules to begin with that's not a good example for any counter argument." -- It's exactly an example of new stories being able to use characters that seem to have a very rigid, well-defined role in different ways. For all this argument that these are special Digimon that would never be able to be used again (putting aside that DotFalcomon has been reused several times), we could have a "Fusion 2.0" that made Armamon simply a Digimon that likes swords, or MegaDarknessBagramon could be DarknessBagramon's big brother. The fact that Fusion was so fast and loose with the classic roles of these species is exactly the reason we shouldn't feel chained by those classic roles, not a reason to throw Fusion out.

Before Dawn and Dusk, did any of us think we'd see an Apocalymon that's just kind of a chill dude and posts a friendly challenge to the player?

"Not to mention that many weren't happy with how Fusion handled many of those species anyway." -- That doesn't negate that Fusion objectively demonstrated that it's possible for the authors of the Digimon franchise to use a species outside of what its null canon profile would suggest is possible.

"because of how gameplay can dictate something that goes completely against the in-universe lore" -- that's not exactly rare in this franchise. For example, Digitamamon isn't completely invulnerable to every single attack in Adventure.

And what's more, by definition, these publications aren't going against their own lore. Digimon is canonically a multiverse, with different rules in each setting.

"The Dots and NXes were added to pad the rosters, emphasis on pad." -- That doesn't make sense. Programming in the Dot Digimon and adding in a special method for getting them requires much more effort than simply making a new BlackWarGreymon, Gururumon, Akatorimon, etc.

Even worse for the NXes, since those are 3D models. They have to make entirely new models, new animations for the attacks, new stats, etc. With BlackWarGreymon, they barely even changed the names of the attacks, they even have the same speed stats, their support skills are pretty similar, and the only difference in the evolution list is swapping Mamemon for Megadramon. Compare that to Crusadermon and Crusadermon NX, which have entirely different evolution lines, distinctly different support skills, completely different inherited moves (and their special moves, with the same names, even have different effects), and wildly different stats.

It would have been significantly easier to continue the "Omegamon Zwart/ChaosDukemon" theme by making "DexAlphamon", "Jaguarmon", and "Templarmon". Hell, they're cranking the "Mutants" out in Links, that's how easy it is.