Talk:Bagra Army

Name
At the moment, the "軍" in "バグラ軍" is furigana'd as "Team", but that might change in the future. Currently, the names used in the faction map in episode 3 are:
 * バグラ軍「バグラチーム」: MadLeomon
 * ?軍「?チーム」: Nene
 * キリハ軍「キリハチーム」: Kiriha
 * タイキ軍「タイキチーム」: Taiki, Shoutmon, Zenjirou, Akari, Ballistamon, Starmon, Pickmons

Lanate (talk) 06:31, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Scratch that; that's something else entirely. Watching the episode again, yeah, they still use Bagura-gun. Lanate (talk) 06:46, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Zone army coverage
Because so many of the troops are mooks, I'm thinking that we could treat the army itself as a character, along with any prominent members (commanders, etc.). How does that sound?

Disagreement
Due to the fact that many of those Digimon are not solely or mainly featured in Xros Wars, I think it would be best to keep their separate pages, while still being featured on the Bagra Army page. --24.125.224.14 02:32, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * ...this page is just for covering the Xros Wars characters. 02:32, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

We should keep the main members of the army on a seprated page yet we should have them as a part of the army as well

Dust Zone
I'm not sure we should count these guys as the local army, especially since Bagra doesn't seem to have a presence before Lilithmon arrives, and Tankmon appear as part of the general Bagra Army in Taiki's dream. What do you guys think? 20:22, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

The Tankmon are an army of tank Digimon that Lilithmon brings to the Dust Zone to take out Xros Heart and Blue Flare. They are defeated by Shoutmon X4/Shoutmon X5 and MetalGreymon + Cyber Launcher.

Alternate colors
Is it possible for somebody to get pictures of the alternate colors for shurimon and grademon? (Lvdoomien 00:03, March 5, 2011 (UTC))

I belive I have some of them but I am not allowed to edi the page Tactimon-sama 17:59, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well put them on Krytenkoro's talk page and see if he likes them.

Thank you Krytenkoro for getting a Shurimon picture. (Lvdoomien 23:38, March 9, 2011 (UTC))

Taiki's dream
The members of the bagra army that appeared in Taiki's dream are: Troopmon, Minotaurumon, Rhinomon, Mammothmon, Bulbmom, and a Sealsdramon. I might have missed a few but these are definetly there. (Lvdoomien 23:37, March 9, 2011 (UTC))

Resplit
Okay, the individual Zone armies, having shown up for only 1-3 episodes each, definitely need to stay here. However, although we originally kept the generals on this page due to a lack of showtime, they have now become major characters. Pretty much everyone but the Blue Flare members have had a ton of characterization. So, proposal: We split out all the info on Bagramon, Tactimon, Lilithmon, Blastmon, DarkKnightmon, and Dame/Tyutyu/Tsuwamon; possibly the Vilemon as well. Actually, we might split out the Blue Flare members that have shown up in more than one episode (Golemon, Baromon, Bommon, Gaossmon). 00:49, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yet we couldn't add the info for the Zone Commanders to their respectful pages since their Xros Wars page redirects to Bagra Army page. If the principal members get their Xros Wars pages merged with the Bagra Army page, then their info will have to be transferred to their own pages. Rtkat3 (talk) 9:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Right. The Zone Commanders are minor characters whose plot is basically the plot of that Zone's army. There's no need to cover them elsewhere. 04:40, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Tactimon
How I see it Tactimon seems to serve as the main antagonist for the first half of the serise, just like Devimon from the first Digimon series. Oh yes another thing as well should someone add a link to the Death Generals (sorry if my english is a bit bad)

Death Generals
We have got to have a section added for the Death Generals and their armies. Rtkat3 (talk) 6:22, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Then start working on them here. Once they are good quality, they will be added to the main page. 22:37, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about give details about them here, here's what I know of Dorbickmon that can be added to the Bagra Army page. Dorbickmon is the Death General in charge of Dragon Land. He can combine with Fanglongmon to become Dorbickmon Darkness Mode (which I still think doubles as Dorbickmon's mode of transportation) and his army consists of Brachiomon, DarkTyrannomon, Devidramon, Flarerizamon, Gigadramon, Megadramon, and Salamandermon. Rtkat3 (talk) 11:23, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I mean actually type up what you want me to add to the page, so that I can check it and clean it up without having to just erase it because there were errors and I don't have time to fix them. 18:15, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Then we would have to Sandbox it before the final draft is approved and added. User:Rtkat3 (User talk:Rtkat3) 9:49, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is what you are supposed to do when an admin has been forced to lock a page. Work on a draft using the talk page. 04:40, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Arrangement
72.184.129.252 05:50, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Members
 * Bagramon
 * DarkKnightmon
 * Three Head Officers
 * Tactimon
 * Lilithmon
 * Blastmon
 * Death Generals (just link to group)
 * Others
 * Tsuwamon/Damemon & Tyutyumon
 * Troopmon
 * Vilemon
 * Twillight (just link to group)
 * Zone armies (anime)
 * Green Zone
 * Island Zone
 * Magma Zone
 * Lake Zone
 * Sand Zone
 * Heaven Zone
 * Forest Zone
 * Shinobi Zone
 * Sweets Zone
 * Sword Zone
 * Land armies
 * Dragon Land
 * Vampire Land
 * Honey Land


 * Is this how you would like this User:KrytenKoro? (talk) 1:54, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * In terms of the anime, yup. Also, a new image of Lilithmon's DigiXros form has been revealed though the name would be tentative like it was with Dorbickmon Darkness Mode.72.184.129.252 18:26, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't really see any need to cordon the three head officers off by themselves, unless we are planning on discussing them as a group. They don't really have that much shared info, though, unlike the Death Generals.
 * I think it would be best to cover Bagramon, DarkKnightmon, Tsuwamon, Tactimon, Lilithmon, Blastmon, the Vilemon, and the Death Generals in the lead, with all of them being (main) links to unique pages (with the possible exception of Vilemon). The Death General page itself should be merged into this page, since there does not seem to be much info that will be respective to the group itself (beyond a paragraph), with (main) links to each of the generals.
 * There's no need to call out Troopmon alone in the first section, since there are several other "generic troops", like the Chikurimon or Minotarumon. I think it would be best to cover all of them in one section, since they are usually just taken from the HQ anyway.
 * There isn't much need to separate the Zone armies from the Land armies—both are just whatever troops Bagra has decided to have stationed in an area. They do not differ in nature; at best you could say that the Zone armies impose martial law and search for the CCs, while the Land armies just impose martial law.
 * I'm going to head you off at the pass—no speculative or rumored info will be posted. Until Ep 35 airs, you shouldn't even mention Honey Land.
 * We will, however, need to separate the anime armies from the manga armies, since the two materials have rapidly diverging storylines.
 * Finally, Twilight. As far as we know, DarkKnightmon is the only Twilight member that joined Bagra, and he's not that far different from the other types of the armies' "former members". Since Twilight is still ongoing in the manga, it would be best to cover the group on its own page, and move its members to Bagra (or Xros Heart) as we get confirmation.

So, I would propose something like this:


 * Description
 * Members
 * Bagramon
 * DarkKnightmon
 * Tsuwamon
 * Vilemon
 * -poss Three Head Officers header
 * Tactimon
 * Lilithmon
 * Blastmon
 * -poss Death Generals header
 * Dorbickmon
 * NeoVamdemon
 * Zamielmon
 * Olegmon
 * Splashmon
 * Gravimon
 * Apollomon
 * Armies (anime)
 * Green Zone (Troopmon, Chikurimon, Mammothmon, Pteramon, Rhinomon, Coelamon, Minotarumon, Orochimon, Apemon, Drimogemon)
 * Island Zone (Mantaraymon, Gizamon, Divermon, Octomon, Flymon, Ebidramon, Seadramon)
 * Magma Zone (SkullMeramon, BlueMeramon, Meramon, Frigimon)
 * Lake Zone (Icemon, Troopmon, Pteramon, Daipenmon)
 * Sand Zone (SkullScorpiomon)
 * Heaven Zone
 * Forest Zone (MegaKabuterimon Blue, GranKuwagamon)
 * Shinobi Zone (Shurimon, Asuramon, Gaiomon, Etemon, Ninjamon, Caturamon, Kotemon, Kabukimon)
 * Sweets Zone (Monzaemon, WaruMonzaemon, Troopmon, Raremon, Brakedramon)
 * Sword Zone (Dinohyumon, Troopmon)
 * Dragon Land (Fanglongmon, Flarerizamon, Brachiomon, DarkTyrannomon, Devidramon, Megadramon, Salamandermon, Gigadramon)
 * Vampire Land (Devimon, LadyDevimon)
 * Honey Land (Honeybeemon, GrandisKuwagamon, Blossomon, Flybeemon)
 * Cyber Land (robot copies of Andromon, MetalTyrannomon, Sealsdramon, and Whamon that were operated by the Drippin)
 * Gold Land (Mermaimon, Depthmon, MarineDevimon, Scorpiomon)
 * Canyon Land (Anubismon, Centarumon, Cerberumon, Eaglemon, Hippogriffomon, Sagittarimon, Thunderbirmon, Wendigomon)
 * Other (dream forces, Ebemon, Machinedramon, Arkadimon (Ultimate), Disc Zone forces, HQ Troopmon, etc.)
 * Armies (manga)
 * Green Zone
 * Island Zone
 * Snow Zone
 * Sweets Zone
 * Other (dream forces, HQ Troopmon, flashback forces (like Corridor Zone), etc.)

But the Troopmon are more universal in being used by the Bagramon as foot soldiers (like the grunts of the Kamen Rider and Super Sentai series) while the Vilemon work for Blastmon. Vampire Land is confirmed as NeoVamdemon's domain and needs only the army members to be added by Sunday/Monday. Plus, Twillight should stay separate, only DarkKnightmon (and his components) are transfered with only the Super DarkKnightmon(and other DarkKnightmon + ???? Xros) entry remaining.

72.184.129.252 19:45, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Members
 * Bagramon
 * DarkKnightmon
 * Tsuwamon
 * -poss Three Head Officers header
 * Tactimon
 * Lilithmon
 * Blastmon
 * -poss Death Generals header
 * Dorbickmon
 * NeoVamdemon
 * Zamielmon
 * Olegmon
 * Splashmon
 * Gravimon
 * Apollomon
 * Twilight (Link to Twillight)
 * Armies (anime)
 * Other (Troopmon, Vilemon, Ebemon, Machinedramon, etc.)
 * Green Zone
 * Island Zone
 * Magma Zone
 * Lake Zone
 * Sand Zone
 * Heaven Zone
 * Forest Zone
 * Shinobi Zone
 * Disc Zone
 * Sweets Zone
 * Sword Zone
 * Dragon Land
 * Vampire Land
 * Armies (manga)
 * Other (dream forces, HQ Troopmon, flashback forces (like Corridor Zone), etc.)
 * Green Zone
 * Island Zone
 * Snow Zone
 * Sweets Zone

Shouldn't the page be updated with Honey Land/Gold Land/Canyon Land Bagra Army members?

Honey Land

72.184.129.252 19:02, June 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * As I've said before, protected pages get updated when an acceptable draft is written on the talk page. No one has made any attempt to write a draft yet, so there's nothing for the admins to review. 02:05, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * But these are galleries to the Bagra Army factions seen in the series so far that have not been added to the page yet.


 * Why yes, they are galleries. That doesn't make them written drafts. 01:25, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fanglongmon is Dorbickmon's main henchman (I still think he serves as Dorbickmon's mode of transprtation in Darkness Mode). GrandisKuwagamon is Zamielmon's servant before Ignitemon defected to Mervamon's side. The Drippins operated robot duplicates of Andromon, MetalTyrannomon, and Sealsdramon as well as Whamon-shaped vessels. Mermaimon is Olegmon's first mate. Anubismon is Gravimon's commander or something. The rest are foot soldiers for the Seven Death Generals. Rtkat3 (talk) 8:30, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Image
Someone added this image of the Bugra Army symbol from episode 31



So use it 72.191.49.218 20:16, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's Dorbickmon's flag, but also a fanart rendition. This wiki does not allow fanart in the mainspace. 20:37, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry people, i goofed it. Sorry. :( 72.191.49.218 22:33, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * You can use it on fanfiction or your userpage, that's fine, it's the mainspace that can't have fanart. 23:42, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Dosen't look like the Twilight and Buara army symbol? B.T.W this was the guy who posted it. User:Happy5214, I just goofed so blame him. 72.191.49.218 05:08, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Admiral DarkKnightmon?
We haven't even seen the subbed version of episode 31. Are we sure that that's DarkKnightmon's role in the Bagra Army now? ChipmunkRaccoon 06:46, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, the word they use is easy enough to catch. 13:21, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

This page needs to be renamed
I mean it needs to be renamed to plural sense (they are 7).

The New Angel
 * No, it doesn't, and I've explained why multiple times. 16:54, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Don't stop
If you are not going to let someone edit, then you should add the members in Honey Land and Cyber Land.Tactimon-sama 19:05, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be adding stub-sections to the page, which only consisted of galleries. That is not how protected articles work -- those who want to edit should prove there is something to add by working on a finished-quality section, and then an admin will review that and add it to the article. This means actually adding plot synopsis and info, as the Heaven Zone section has.
 * I don't understand why you guys expect me to do the work if none of you are willing to even touch it. At least make a draft, even if it isn't that good. 02:05, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

I found the dark version of Grademon
Can someone put the Corrupted Grademon picture the Bagra Army article? I'd appreciate it. User:Venage237
 * Absolutely not. It's fanart. 21:10, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

.gifs
I have all of the new .gifs ready, except for a few Frontier ones. However, the wiki's image servers are having caching problems again. As soon as that's dealt with, I'll upload all the images, and these will all be filled in again.

Please use .gifs for all future Toei control art, as stated on the image upload page. 15:03, August 16, 2011 (UTC)