Talk:Meicrackmon

I hope that Meicrackmon (Not Vicious Mode) will appear in Digimon Adventure tri..

Name
Based on ReArise, this is probably going to be dubbed for the first time as "Maycrackmon" when its added to the dub. (surprised RA went with the DWNO name when Links didnt). We have auto dubbing rules from the anime, but just putting that out there.Marcusbwfc (talk) 15:23, March 12, 2020 (UTC)
 * It was indeed. Based on DW:BASEFORM saying "Any names listed under this policy are unofficial; officially dubbed names take precedence with the use of parsers if necessary.", do we want to rename this to Maycrackmon?Marcusbwfc (talk) 03:33, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
 * I say no since tri refers to Meicoomon's Perfect stage as Meicrackmon and that would probably take precedence over ReArise. Chimera-gui (talk) 05:22, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
 * Omegamon Zwart, though. 16:33, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
 * I think we only know its "meicrackmon" in the dub because of this, although presumably the closed captains of the DVD would show it as well. but still, that policy seems to indicate that we should technically rename it.Marcusbwfc (talk) 23:28, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
 * Why? Because a phone game said so? Sorry but I'm invoking the "That's fucking stupid" clause on this.

And I'm of the opinion that using "Omegamon Zwart" as an English name is a mistake and we should never have gone with it. Looking at the translations of all of the variants and comparing them with the translation of the original Omegamon in the same games, it's pretty clear that the games are doing exactly what we've been doing for X-Antibody variants: Apply the parser of the variant to whatever name is used for the original base species in that game.

The biggest tell of this is Digimon Masters as Omegamon was originally called Omnimon until April 2017 but it was subsequently reverted to the Japanese name with all the variants only being added to the global server after this revision.

This means that if the original Meicrackmon was in Links, it would have used its original Japanese name and not "Maycrackmon" just as Vicious Mode did. I say tri has priority since it treats "Meicrackmon" as the base name by omitting the "Vicious Mode" parser. Chimera-gui (talk) 01:57, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
 * No need to be so aggressive. Anyway, "Maycrackmon" was first used for Vicious Mode in Next Order (before Tri) - it's not exclusive to ReArise. also thats not actually true, the english version of the digital monster ver.20th uses the name "omnimon" for the original, and refers to Alter-S as Omegamon Alter-S. Despite that not making much sense, they went out of their way to use both Omegamon and Omnimon in the same product. Alter-S/B/Zwart Defeat isnt a "mode change" unlike say, UlforceVeedramon Future Mode (and I suppose Meicrackmon is a mode change) as it lacks "mode", so I would treat the Omnimon situation similar to "NeoMyotismon", rather than "UlforceVeedramon Future Mode". and no its not "because a phone game said so", its because its the only dubbed name we have right now, which matches what that policy says where official localisations take precedence. youre not wrong that you guys have a "no dumb ass names clause" though, although as I understand that's for one offs, which this is right now (for this version, since vicious mode has been dubbed as maycrackmon twice)Marcusbwfc (talk) 03:10, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
 * Technically it was first anime usage specifically that took priority unless we invoke the no dumb ass names clause like with Marusumon.

And Omegamon variants not being mode changes isn't really a factor since X-Antibody variants aren't technically mode changes either but still use the base name followed by parser format that was the basis for both DW:BASEFORM and DW:X-FORM in the Manuel of Style, and in fact none of the Digimon we use the Base Form Etymology template for besides UlforceVeedramon FM are mode changes, whereas NeoMyotismon and MedievalGallantmon do not hence why they'd be considered auto-dubbing without any official media as a source as Omnimon, Omegamon, Meicrackmon and Maycrackmon are all discrete names as Kryten described previously rather than portions of names like NeoMyotismon.

I also suspect that Digital Monster ver.20th may have been a screw up since we've had media use the wrong names altogether in the past and this seems to the be the sole outlier in what has been otherwise consistent naming across media making the likelihood of this being a mistake rather high. Chimera-gui (talk) 04:12, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
 * yeah but in those instances the character hasnt been dubbed. so like, we dont have dubs for future mode or daemon ultra, but if they added daemon ultra to cyber sleuth then the dub name would be creepymon ultra. very few x forms are dubbed, so they fall under DW:BASEFORM. this was named under DW:BASEFORM using meicrackmon vicious mode as the base form, but now meicrackmon has been dubbed under maycrackmon, and thus no longer fits the policy. the main thing right now would be the usage of the "no dumbass names" clause. in the few months between between next order's japanese release and the english release of next order, alter b and zwart d would be named "omnimon alterb/zwart d", but then next order launched and used "omegamon alter-b/zwart defeat" and thus no longer fit under the policy. so yeah, I'll give you the "no dumbass names" clause right now, as otherwise policy dictates we'd be renaming this article.Marcusbwfc (talk) 04:38, May 27, 2020 (UTC)